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On 5/30/2018 1:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 29, 2018, Ron C wrote
(in ):

On 5/30/2018 12:52 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 19:09:04 -0400,
wrote:

In , Eric Stevens
wrote:


ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.

maybe, but so what?

So what most people prefer gets lost in the fog of time.

that doesn't mean it can't ever happen.

Substitute a room full of AI devices for a room filled with monkeys?
With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Now you are making AI sound like the November 2016 voting machines.

Ah yes, the Russians did it .. else the South Park lament: "Blame Canada".
:-) :-) :-) :-)
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Later...
Ron C
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On 2018-05-30 05:48:16 +0000, Ron C said:

On 5/30/2018 1:38 AM, android wrote:
On 2018-05-30 05:29:16 +0000, Ron C said:

With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Don't you make sure that your gear and solutions are industry standard???

There's an industry standard for .. modern art .. classical music ..
pop music .. ?

You really do need them winkies very badly, right?
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teleportation kills

On Wed, 30 May 2018 10:31:15 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-30 05:48:16 +0000, Ron C said:

On 5/30/2018 1:38 AM, android wrote:
On 2018-05-30 05:29:16 +0000, Ron C said:

With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Don't you make sure that your gear and solutions are industry standard???

There's an industry standard for .. modern art .. classical music ..
pop music .. ?

You really do need them winkies very badly, right?

You seem to have entirely missed Ron C's point.

Neither Bach, Beethoven, Monteverdi or Tallis, or the great atists of
the past ever composed or painted to industry standards. If anything,
industry standards belatedly grew about what they had done.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2018-05-30 10:05:08 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 30 May 2018 10:31:15 +0200, android wrote:

On 2018-05-30 05:48:16 +0000, Ron C said:

On 5/30/2018 1:38 AM, android wrote:
On 2018-05-30 05:29:16 +0000, Ron C said:

With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Don't you make sure that your gear and solutions are industry standard???

There's an industry standard for .. modern art .. classical music ..
pop music .. ?

You really do need them winkies very badly, right?

You seem to have entirely missed Ron C's point.

Neither Bach, Beethoven, Monteverdi or Tallis, or the great atists of
the past ever composed or painted to industry standards. If anything,
industry standards belatedly grew about what they had done.

No. You missed mine...
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teleportation kills

On 5/29/2018 6:57 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2018 01:24:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

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ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.


That is nothing unusual in the arts. IIRC It took many years after the
first publication of Moby Dick until Herman Melville was recognized.


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PeterN

On 5/29/2018 7:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.

maybe, but so what?

that doesn't mean it can't ever happen.


So. the point is lack of human nuance. possibly we may get6 closer if
quantum AI becomes practical. But, when it comes to quantum, we are just
beginning to scratch the tip of the iceberg.

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PeterN

On 5/30/2018 1:29 AM, Ron C wrote:
On 5/30/2018 12:52 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 19:09:04 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven,
etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.

maybe, but so what?

So what most people prefer gets lost in the fog of time.

that doesn't mean it can't ever happen.

Substitute a room full of AI devices for a room filled with monkeys?

With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Happily and hopefully, your point will be continued into that
interesting, but not answerable issue of what is art.


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PeterN

On 5/30/2018 1:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 29, 2018, Ron C wrote
(in ):

On 5/30/2018 12:52 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2018 19:09:04 -0400,
wrote:

In , Eric Stevens
wrote:


ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.

maybe, but so what?

So what most people prefer gets lost in the fog of time.

that doesn't mean it can't ever happen.

Substitute a room full of AI devices for a room filled with monkeys?
With proper preconditioning the masses can be led to believe
in the superiority of just about anything. Case in point: much of
modern art.
Hell, just follow stuff trending-on-twitter to see how easy people
can be influenced by [seeming] popular opinion.
A few 'experts" say it's amazing and the lemmings blindly follow.

Now you are making AI sound like the November 2016 voting machines.

There are some some ignorant of the old voting machines, that they
think chad was a criminal, who deserved to be hung.

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PeterN

On 5/30/2018 11:58 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 5/29/2018 7:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.

maybe, but so what?

that doesn't mean it can't ever happen.


So. the point is lack of human nuance. possibly we may get6 closer if
quantum AI becomes practical. But, when it comes to quantum, we are just
beginning to scratch the tip of the iceberg.

Actually I believe it has more to do with fuzzy logic than quantum.
[YMMV]
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Later...
Ron C
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On Wed, 30 May 2018 23:54:07 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/29/2018 6:57 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2018 01:24:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

--- snip ---

ai composers will break new ground.

some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc.

In the context in which I first raised the name of Bach (and
Beethoven, Monteverdi and Thomas Tallis) you would have to wait for
about a hundred years before you could find out whether or not a
particular composer was equally monumental.


That is nothing unusual in the arts. IIRC It took many years after the
first publication of Moby Dick until Herman Melville was recognized.

Yep.

Very few ground-breaking artists die rich.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens