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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
Here is an interesting article which says:
"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated. Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment to press the shutter or record button." The full article (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html) is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the last bastion of photographers. |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On 2018-05-25 10:42:36 +0000, occam said:
Here is an interesting article which says: "Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated. Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment to press the shutter or record button." The full article (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html) is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the last bastion of photographers. Oki... Photography is as dead as painting! See me weep as all the wannabes get caught with their pants down by me mommy and her pocket instamatic, whence she gets back from the inside of the earth... -- teleportation kills |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote:
Here is an interesting article which says: "Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated. Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment to press the shutter or record button." The full article (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html) is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the last bastion of photographers. Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. -- PeterN |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:16:28 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote: Here is an interesting article which says: "Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated. Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment to press the shutter or record button." The full article (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html) is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the last bastion of photographers. Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi. Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi. there's no requirement that it should. there are many more composers in this world than just those three. Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time. where 'a long time' is 'now': https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...chine-listens- to-bach-then-writes-its-own-music-in-the-same-style/ These guys have developed a neural network that has learned to produce choral cantatas in the style of Bach. They call their machine DeepBach (see also ³AI Songsmith Cranks Out Surprisingly Catchy Tunes²). .... To find out, the team asked more than 1,600 people to listen two different harmonies of the same melody. More than 400 of them were professional musicians or music students. .... When given a DeepBach-generated harmony, around half the voters judged that it was composed by Bach. That¹s significantly higher than with music generated by any other algorithm. ³We consider this to be a good score knowing the complexity of Bach¹s compositions,² say Hadjeres and Pachet. Even when confronted with music composed by Bach himself, participants only judged that correctly 75 percent of the time. and that's just one example. |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On Fri, 25 May 2018 20:54:40 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi. there's no requirement that it should. there are many more composers in this world than just those three. Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time. where 'a long time' is 'now': https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...chine-listens- to-bach-then-writes-its-own-music-in-the-same-style/ These guys have developed a neural network that has learned to produce choral cantatas in the style of Bach. They call their machine DeepBach (see also ³AI Songsmith Cranks Out Surprisingly Catchy Tunes²). You miss my point. I wasn't reffing to mere copying. All of those composers broke new ground and have left a lasting impression. Thomas Tallis is another. ... To find out, the team asked more than 1,600 people to listen two different harmonies of the same melody. More than 400 of them were professional musicians or music students. ... When given a DeepBach-generated harmony, around half the voters judged that it was composed by Bach. That¹s significantly higher than with music generated by any other algorithm. ³We consider this to be a good score knowing the complexity of Bach¹s compositions,² say Hadjeres and Pachet. Even when confronted with music composed by Bach himself, participants only judged that correctly 75 percent of the time. and that's just one example. And just consider what modern pop music has done with Bach. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi. there's no requirement that it should. there are many more composers in this world than just those three. Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time. where 'a long time' is 'now': https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...chine-listens- to-bach-then-writes-its-own-music-in-the-same-style/ These guys have developed a neural network that has learned to produce choral cantatas in the style of Bach. They call their machine DeepBach (see also 3AI Songsmith Cranks Out Surprisingly Catchy Tunes2). You miss my point. I wasn't reffing to mere copying. i didn't miss a thing and what they did was *not* copying, which means *you* missed the point (as usual). All of those composers broke new ground and have left a lasting impression. Thomas Tallis is another. ai composers will break new ground. some people will even prefer what it creates over bach, beethoven, etc. To find out, the team asked more than 1,600 people to listen two different harmonies of the same melody. More than 400 of them were professional musicians or music students. ... When given a DeepBach-generated harmony, around half the voters judged that it was composed by Bach. That1s significantly higher than with music generated by any other algorithm. 3We consider this to be a good score knowing the complexity of Bach1s compositions,2 say Hadjeres and Pachet. Even when confronted with music composed by Bach himself, participants only judged that correctly 75 percent of the time. and that's just one example. And just consider what modern pop music has done with Bach. what about it? modern pop music is a totally different genre than classical. |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On May 25, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ): On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:16:28 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote: Here is an interesting article which says: "Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated. Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment to press the shutter or record button." The full article (http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...11821-google-c lips-the-death-of-the-photographer.html) is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the last bastion of photographers. Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by AI. What is lacking is the human nuance. I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi. Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time. Agreed, and there are so many more than the three greats you cited that AI will never equal. AI might be able to produce something evocative of the work of some great composer, or jazz improvisor like Brubeck, Bud Powell, or Art Pepper, but will never be their equal. However, I am sure that we will have at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:04:37 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: I am sure that we will have at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography. Ray Kurzweil doesn't post here, and he's the only one crazy enough to think that AI will match human functioning. People who are honest about these things know that AI has severe limitations, and probably always will. He made some nice synths, though. |
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Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?
On 5/25/2018 11:38 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:04:37 -0700, Savageduck wrote: I am sure that we will have at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography. Ray Kurzweil doesn't post here, and he's the only one crazy enough to think that AI will match human functioning. People who are honest about these things know that AI has severe limitations, and probably always will. The issue is whether the potential poster referred to by the Duck actually has an honest belief, or will post just to start an argument. He made some nice synths, though. Yes he did. -- PeterN |
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