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  #101  
Old September 11th 17, 07:40 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-11 02:57:42 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 13:57:09 +1200, Your Name wrote:

There are no guaranteed apps that are capable of what is required by
the person who posted the original questions.


You all bring up good points but you have to PICK SOMETHING so if it's not
MS Office, what is it that is editable that is also WYSIWYG on both Mac and
PC that everyone already has and knows how to use?

If not MS Office, then what?


One of the free, cross-platform office app suites might be a better
choice, then at if they don't have it, it is at least free for them to
install. Of course, most of them can open PowerPoint documents anyway,
so they could still do that if they want to. On new-ish Macs, Apple's
Keynote presentation app is free and can open PowerPoint documents
already. Although, any app claiming to be compatible with anything else
isn't always 100% so.

BUT, you are still left with the font problem. I don't think there are
any identical default fronts which are installed on both Windows and
MacOS either, so there's no way around that.

One potential way around all of it would be to use an online office
suite like Google Docs, but they do need to have their computers
connected to the internet (some schools may not do that with their lab
computers so that kids can't muck around in Twitbook or whatever
instead of doing their school work).

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Old September 11th 17, 07:42 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-11 03:03:06 +0000, Mayayana said:
"Your Name" wrote
|
| HTML. And fonts can be embedded, base 64 encoded.
| There may be a size limit. I'm not sure about that.
|
| But you still need an app to be able to edit the HTML ... easily, so
| that rules out manually tweaking the underlying code in a text editor.

All that's required is a text editor. HTML and CSS
are plain text. But it does require that the author
know HTML well enough to get the layout they want.
And all the reecipients are guaranteed to be able
to load and read an HTML file. Images can also be
embedded as base 64. HTML is by far the most
adaptable format for graphical pages that need
to display on any system.

If the author is not experienced with HTML there
are plenty of free "wysiwyg" HTML editors. But it
does require some experience to get the page design
to behave.


Yep, that's why I said "easily". Using HTML would likely make the whole
thing more difficult than using PowerPoint. :-)

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Old September 11th 17, 07:45 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-11 03:27:41 +0000, Mayayana said:

"Your Name" wrote

| It's just another of the ridiculous stupidities in the eduction system
| these days.
|
| In last week's newspaper they were complaining about kids becoming
| worse at the basics of reading, writing, mathematics ... it's these
| basic skills, taught properly and normally, that schools should be
| teaching, and teaching properly. Not playing around about on a laptop /
| tablet, not playing silly sports, and not sticking their noses into
| what kids have in their lunchboxes.
|

There was a fascinating and shocking article
last week in the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/t...hers-tech.html

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Tech companies seducing teachers into being salespeople
for their stuff. What really surprises me (in addition to the
sheer arrogance and sleaze of MS/Apple/Facebook/Google/etc)
is that no one is overseeing these things. Why is a company
like Google able to deal directly with teachers? Why don't
their salespeople have to go through state-level administrators
to get gadgets into classrooms? Maybe those people are
all so hypnotized by tech that they just don't think about
what they're doing.

My ladyfriend is a retired kindergarten teacher. She used
to be forced to get Macs in order to use Federal funding to
get things like tables and shelving. The Macs just sat in
the corner, unsuitable for 5-6 year olds but assigned to
her classroom and thus not eligible to be put to use
elsewhere. I'm guessing it was Steve Jobs's lobbyists who
are to thank for that.


What happens here in New Zealand is that kids are given speficic
stationery lists, and the schools get a kick-back from the stationery
stores. The same happens with school uniforms and the parents buying
laptops / tablets.

In many cases the schools also say they "prefer" the kids to have
iPads, rather than a cheaper Android tablet.


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Old September 11th 17, 07:50 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On 2017-09-11 03:17:18 +0000, Mayayana said:

"Chaya Eve" wrote

| If not PowerPoint, then what do you suggest that is already on everyone's
| computer and which they know well and which can edit the slides as needed?
|

I'm sorry if I've started a wild goose chase. I didn't
catch the part where you needed everyone to be able
to edit it. I thought you were writing and just needed
many people on different systems to be able to view it.

snip

Viewing (and printing) ... just use a PDF. Even if they don't have a
PDF reader, the Adobe Reader can be downloaded for free, as can many
other readers.

Of course, like everything else, nothing is guaranteed to be *100%*
compatible, even with PDFs. For example, the PDFs I create from Adobe
InDesign. They look fine in Adobe Acrobat and Reader, but can have
wierd glitches in MacOS's in-built Preview app (and even wierder
glitches when printing them) ... BUT with my el cheapo printer, Preview
will print a proper A4, while Acrobat and Reader insist on having a
strange margin at the bottom of the page (so documents have to be
either cropped or scaled to fit).



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Old September 11th 17, 08:29 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:40:26 +1200, Your Name wrote:

BUT, you are still left with the font problem. I don't think there are
any identical default fronts which are installed on both Windows and
MacOS either, so there's no way around that.


You bring up a point that there may not even be any identical fonts common
to the Mac & Windows - surprising as that may be - but even so - there is
no road-sign specific font on either platform anyway.

The beauty of the Windows method is that the users don't have to know
anything about fonts. The document just works.

The problem with the Mac method is that the limitations imposed on
PowerPoint being less capable on the Mac means that the user has to deal
with the font specifically.

It's not a big deal at this point because it's a limitation of the Mac that
just has to be overcome.

One potential way around all of it would be to use an online office
suite like Google Docs, but they do need to have their computers
connected to the internet (some schools may not do that with their lab
computers so that kids can't muck around in Twitbook or whatever
instead of doing their school work).


As we all noted, there is no one slide-editing software that is guaranteed
to be on all Macs and Windows machines so whatever we choose will be a
compromise.

Google docs has its own set of compromises around font issues too. :=(
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Old September 11th 17, 08:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 18:59:56 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote:

I downloaded the font in question. If you want to teach the kids how to
'do the job right' this font is really not a good choice. The quality of
the outlines is horrible. Plus Mac OS already includes a well-designed
font specifically designed for signs (DIN), so why not just use that
instead?


If you can suggest a better font, I'm all ears.

However I'm not sure what you mean by "the quality of those outlines".
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/11/chaya0.jpg


What I mean would be most apparent if you open the font in a
font-editing program such as FontLab and look at the actual outlines.
The lowercase o and u would be good characters to look at. Also, a
number of characters (e.g. ae, oe, thorn, eth, the quotation marks)
appear to be taken from an entirely different typeface. Finally, the
font lacks many fairly important kerning pairs.

But, I suppose, you get what you pay for.

Andre

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Old September 11th 17, 08:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 01:43:29 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote:

What I mean would be most apparent if you open the font in a
font-editing program such as FontLab and look at the actual outlines.
The lowercase o and u would be good characters to look at. Also, a
number of characters (e.g. ae, oe, thorn, eth, the quotation marks)
appear to be taken from an entirely different typeface. Finally, the
font lacks many fairly important kerning pairs.

But, I suppose, you get what you pay for.


What matters is sign legibility under various conditions and how
"printable" it is (given how signs are made mostly using vinyl stickers
which need to be tear resistant).

Did you post yet a simple comparison of one of the signs given?
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Old September 11th 17, 11:38 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint

Chaya Eve wrote:

There is no way HTML editors are going to be as universal and already well
known and as easy as simply typing the letters into Microsoft PowerPoint.


I thought you wanted the end result to be printed/laser cut lettering
onto a physical sign of a known size? If so powerpoint doesn't seem
ideal, AFAIK it just works in 'fill the screen' mode.

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Old September 11th 17, 02:26 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

"nospam" wrote

|
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/02/t...hers-tech.html
|
| (Requires cookies enabled.)
|
| no it doesn't.
|
Interesting. For years I've had to switch to a
cookie-eating browser at NYT because otherwise
it would send me to a login page. Maybe they've
finally given up on trying to make the public
believe their paper is so special that people will
pay to see the online version.

| technology in schools is a *very* good thing.
|

A good demonstration of assumptions with no thought,
no reasoning, and not even a context for your belief.
Merely a blind belief swallowed whole because you've
heard it said numerous times and weren't paying attention.
Your whole case is merely a reflex ejaculation of, "Is so!".

Too bad you weren't joking.

| those kids will be growing up in a world with all sorts of technology
| that people today can't even imagine, and they *need* to know how it
| all works.
|

They will need to know. In grade school they need
to learn to read, relate to their fellow students,
bounce a ball, run outside, draw a picture, and
generally train their bodies. They're at a stage
of relating to the world on a mainly physical level.
They don't need to learn how to navigate Twitter.
They'll learn that with their friends, anyway.

Worse, when they're taught to navigate Twitter
they're not also taught to block ads, do advanced
search, or otherwise use computers as tools.
They're taught to use them as consumption devices.
That's all that their tech-shill teacher knows.

Your claim is especially ironic in the context of
this thread. We're talking about older students who
may know how to use Powerpoint but can't handle
the most basic computer tasks, like installing software,
learning a new program, or even installing a font.
They probably can't handle the downloads, much
less the install. Most people can't. That includes
your imagined geniuses fondling their iPads.
They won't grow up any more tech-literate than
Chaya Eve's students. It's likely they'll be less
tech-literate. But they might have a Google implant
in their head and be able to make any song play
in their head by saying, "Hey, Google!".

Did you read the article? The teacher is a paid shill,
teaching the kids to use Twitter and Instagram.
Like you, she thinks an iPad is a package of goodness,
creativity and intelligence, as though kids learn
advanced ideas by merely holding advanced technology.
Like you, she listens to sleazeballs from tech companies,
hawking their shiny baubles, and she doesn't listen
with critical intelligence. She's talking to salepeople
and probably thinks they're scientists.
Do her kids learn computer science? No, they
learn how to buy fan miscellany from their favorite
pop stars, without having to get up from their beanbag
chairs, while being told those celebrities prefer Hershey's
chocolate. (Or is it Nestle? Learning minds need to know.


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Old September 11th 17, 02:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

"Chaya Eve" wrote

| Just don't be naive when proposing a font (or an editing program).
|

I thought the DIN idea might be a good one to solve the
Mac font problem. It does seem to be used in traffic signs.
But on looking it up it wasn't clear that there was a free
version for Windows. The font itself is out of copyright,
but someone who creates a font file has rights to that.



 




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