Playing with LR5

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual
options, but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice)
which works surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg



Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
deal.

--
PeterN

On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR "Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg



Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".


I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the special
deal.

There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I
would pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade
path.
Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
resolution to 720p.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens
said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
"Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg



Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".


I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
special deal.

There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
resolution to 720p.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg


Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6. e.g. they
shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new feature, it
is in CS6. The concept of artifact removal.
As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
that is part of my decision process.
--
PeterN

On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens
said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
"Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg



Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".


I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
special deal.

There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
resolution to 720p.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg


Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and
most of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I
don't have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have
the "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter),
I don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
Shake sharpening tool.

e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
feature, it is in CS6.

Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

The concept of artifact removal.

That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
Shake Reduction filter.

As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
that is part of my decision process.

The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
recent as CS6

I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN said:

snip


Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and most
of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I don't
have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have the
"Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter), I
don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
Shake sharpening tool.

Yes there certainly is a different implementation.


e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
feature, it is in CS6.

Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

I use it all the time. It isn't in ACR, but is in CS6


The concept of artifact removal.

That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
Shake Reduction filter.

The shake reduction filter looks good.


As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying
this to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my
workflow, but that is part of my decision process.

The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
recent as CS6

Yes it is. Just as every new edition has contained an improvement. The
question is value. I think, that except for the shake reduction filter,
LR5 will cover most of the changes. Having said that, it is worth the
gamble since the price in excess of LR5, for one year is about $20.


I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I use
Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need to use
Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


I too have a preference for NIK, but i do like and use, Perfect Resize,
and Perfect ReMask.



--
PeterN

On 2013-11-14 16:53:28 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/14/2013 10:19 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 14:28:30 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/13/2013 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 04:24:01 +0000, Eric Stevens
said:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:17:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

I just upgraded OSX from 10.6.8 to OSX 10.9 (Mavericks), so I am now
able to run LR5,. There are a few new features in LR5 not available in
LR4, so I took the plunge and I have been playing with the LR
"Upright"
filter in "Lens Correction", the "Radial Grad" filter, and the new
"Spot Correction "tool. These are all available in PS CC, but not
in PS
CS6.

So here are some before and after shots all done quite quickly, and
entirely in LR5 with no assistance from any plug-ins. Our Canadian
pals
should recognize Vancouver:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_362.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_363.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...enshot_364.jpg

Is this done automatically or do you have manual control?

All done manually using adjustment sliders with the exception of Lens
profile, CA removal, and the "Upright" Tool, which gives manual options,
but I chose to use "Auto" (based on Julieanne Kost advice) which works
surprisingly well.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...nshot_365A.jpg



Sisker would love your sky. ;-p

The only shot I could think that remark might apply to is the third one
above "screenshot_364". All I did with that shot after a dust spot
clean up (it was shot with my D70) was use the new "Radial Grad" filter
on the main structure. That protected it when I dropped the exposure on
everything surrounding it. The result was the deeper blue sky. No CPF
use, and no grey skies to paint "Sisker blue".


I am still trying to justify whether the changes in CC are worth the
upgrade. I know i don't have much time to take advantage of the
special deal.

There are a few things I think are well worth the $10/month, and I would
pay $200 for if I was going to upgrade CS6 in my usual upgrade path.
Here are a few opinions. Take a look at these full screen and up the
resolution to 720p.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjg4RtV4UAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03k8XqALcNg


Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and
most of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I
don't have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have
the "Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter),
I don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
Shake sharpening tool.

e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
feature, it is in CS6.

Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

The concept of artifact removal.

That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
Shake Reduction filter.

As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying this
to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my workflow, but
that is part of my decision process.

The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
recent as CS6

I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I
use Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need
to use Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


One other thing to remember is with that $10/month for PS CC you also
get LR5 and that is also a pretty good added value for a photographer.

BTW: Here is Kloskowski demonstrating the Radial filter on LR5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IpXeV1rGto
--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2013-11-14 17:23:36 +0000, PeterN said:

On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-11-14 16:20:29 +0000, PeterN said:

snip


Thanks, But I was aware of these. A lot of them are in CS6.

None of those are in CS6 the way they are implemented in PS CC, and most
of them don't exist in CS6 in any form. I have CS6 and in that I don't
have the new spot healing tool in CS6 Camera RAW, I don't have the
"Upright" filter (it isn't the same as the Lens Correction filter), I
don't have the RAW filter in CS6(that is worth the price of admission
alone), I don't have the Radial grad filter, I don't have the Reduce
Shake sharpening tool.

Yes there certainly is a different implementation.

Yup!

e.g. they shoe an easy use of the spot healing tool. That is not a new
feature, it is in CS6.

Not in CS6 ACR it isn't.

I use it all the time. It isn't in ACR, but is in CS6

A version of the Spot Healing tool was in PS CS3, and ACR in
CS4/CS5/CS6 had a spot healing tool, but it couldn't be used as a brush
when working in ACR. Say one thing for Adobe, they do polish the apple
and improve things. ACR alone has one of the biggest improvements over
just the last two-three years, and that is reflected in Lightroom.

The concept of artifact removal.

That is just the method used for artifact removal after applying the
Shake Reduction filter.

The shake reduction filter looks good.

....but it has its limitations. It works well if used for its intended
purpose. You might be disappointed if you think it will solve OoF
issues, it only deals with slight camera shake/movement problems.

As for resizing, is the new algorithm better than the algorithm in
Perfect Resize, which has all the smae features +. I am not saying
this to belittle, and these changes will certainly speed up my
workflow, but that is part of my decision process.

The thing is those changes are there, and they make Photoshop a better
image editing tool than it was in its earlier versions, even one as
recent as CS6

Yes it is. Just as every new edition has contained an improvement. The
question is value. I think, that except for the shake reduction filter,
LR5 will cover most of the changes. Having said that, it is worth the
gamble since the price in excess of LR5, for one year is about $20.

There is no question that the value is there, especially with the
inclusion of LR5.
I have stepped up, and while I might be trying to justify my decision
somewhat, I am having fun making these new discoveries.

I have an older edition of the OnOne package and from time to time I use
Perfect Resize, I have a feeling that with PS CC I might not need to use
Perfect Resize in anything but extreme situations or specialize
enlargement preparation. As far as plug-ins go I prefer the NIK
offerings over the OnOne Suite (with the exception of Perfect Resize).


I too have a preference for NIK, but i do like and use, Perfect Resize,
and Perfect ReMask.


--
Regards,

Savageduck