DSLR sales. Only two ways they can go

On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:58:09 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

Either they level off, somewhere around 50% of their
sales in 2010 or less, or in three years, DSLR sales
will be almost non-existent.

It depends. If the mfr's can march on with technical improvements, and
the advantage of DSLR's over anything else remains sizable enough,
maybe not.

If this sounds alarmist, check out CD or vinyl sales from
their highest sales year till now. The drop in sales isn't
some minor economic blip, it's an evolution of the market.

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

In article , Bill W
wrote:

If this sounds alarmist, check out CD or vinyl sales from
their highest sales year till now. The drop in sales isn't
some minor economic blip, it's an evolution of the market.

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:56:07 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

If this sounds alarmist, check out CD or vinyl sales from
their highest sales year till now. The drop in sales isn't
some minor economic blip, it's an evolution of the market.

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

They also think hiss = warmth. Part of the problem, or maybe the whole
problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing. That was before
CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait
to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked.
Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it
was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done.
Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then.

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

In article , Bill W
wrote:

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

They also think hiss = warmth.

and distortion.

Part of the problem, or maybe the whole
problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing.

i have a couple of those.

That was before
CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait
to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked.
Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it
was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done.
Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then.

early cds were poorly mastered, which has nothing to do with being
digital.

cds are much better than vinyl ever could dream of.

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

vinyl has always been total crap. it's that there wasn't anything
better until cds came along.

it's a tiny needle wiggling in a groove. it's horribly primitive.

On 7/27/2015 5:42 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W
wrote:

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

They also think hiss = warmth.

and distortion.

Part of the problem, or maybe the whole
problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing.

i have a couple of those.

That was before
CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait
to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked.
Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it
was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done.
Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then.

early cds were poorly mastered, which has nothing to do with being
digital.

cds are much better than vinyl ever could dream of.

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

vinyl has always been total crap. it's that there wasn't anything
better until cds came along.

it's a tiny needle wiggling in a groove. it's horribly primitive.


So says the judgemental one, while not mentioning that lots of people
like the sound of vinyl.
While waiting at a light this morning, some A-hole was playing digital
sounds with a booming bass, that my car was shaking, and the sound
through closed windows, was drowning out the sound of my radio.

--
PeterN

On 7/27/15 9:52 AM, in article , "PeterN"
wrote:

On 7/27/2015 5:42 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W
wrote:

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

They also think hiss = warmth.

and distortion.

Part of the problem, or maybe the whole
problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing.

i have a couple of those.

That was before
CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait
to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked.
Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it
was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done.
Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then.

early cds were poorly mastered, which has nothing to do with being
digital.

cds are much better than vinyl ever could dream of.

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

vinyl has always been total crap. it's that there wasn't anything
better until cds came along.

it's a tiny needle wiggling in a groove. it's horribly primitive.


So says the judgemental one, while not mentioning that lots of people
like the sound of vinyl.
While waiting at a light this morning, some A-hole was playing digital
sounds with a booming bass, that my car was shaking, and the sound
through closed windows, was drowning out the sound of my radio.

You should know what to do in that situation:

Start acting like you really LIKE it and get his attention (HAS to be a
MALE). Once he's looking your way, motion for him to turn it UP while
nodding your head up and down, and gesturing with the other hand ":thumbs
up". If you are lucky, the moron will follow your suggestions and jack it up
so loud that it will blow his speakers, a fuse and/or spontaneous combustion
of the vehicle due to electrical arcing.

My .02...

In article , PeterN
wrote:

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

vinyl has always been total crap. it's that there wasn't anything
better until cds came along.

it's a tiny needle wiggling in a groove. it's horribly primitive.

So says the judgemental one, while not mentioning that lots of people
like the sound of vinyl.

i'm not judging anyone.

whatever sound they like (or actually, what they think they like) can
be done digitally.

the fact is that cd audio far surpasses vinyl. this can be proven
mathematically.

you can always downgrade cd to sound like vinyl but you can't ever make
a vinyl record sound as good as a cd. it's *impossible*.

While waiting at a light this morning, some A-hole was playing digital
sounds with a booming bass, that my car was shaking, and the sound
through closed windows, was drowning out the sound of my radio.

that has absolutely nothing to do with digital, which makes *you* the
judgmental one.

that's been happening for years, long before there was digital, with
cassettes or even radio stations. all it takes is a high powered sound
system.

and if it was as loud as you claim, call the cops and have them cited
for a noise violation.

On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 23:31:28 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:56:07 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

If this sounds alarmist, check out CD or vinyl sales from
their highest sales year till now. The drop in sales isn't
some minor economic blip, it's an evolution of the market.

Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose,
and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one
purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks -
maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of
the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly
enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think
it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those
people are crazy...

they're hipsters who think it's cool.

They also think hiss = warmth. Part of the problem, or maybe the whole
problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing. That was before
CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait
to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked.
Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it
was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done.
Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then.

Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen
to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on
high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is
total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system
that masked all of the flaws.

There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge
and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the
speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge
and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the
speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do.

cds eliminates the first one.

the rest you can't eliminate. it's a bit hard to listen to music if you
don't have speakers or an amplifier.

On 7/27/2015 6:00 AM, nospam wrote:


it's a bit hard to listen to music if you
don't have speakers or an amplifier.

Newsflash!!
There is this brand new concept called: live performance.




--
PeterN