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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:54:46 GMT, Donald Qualls
wrote: I wonder where those of us who like self-regulation can go next? Managed lists. Unfortunately they are generally not well known and can be hard to find. Well, for photography, there is always photo.net -- the B&W forums there are well moderated, and well populated, if not as "open to the public" as Usenet, and the site does a pretty good job of discouraging spammers from harvesting addresses (you must be a registered user, and accept a 20 second delay for each request, with notification to the person requested, in order to get an e-mail address for a user). OTOH, some folks object to moderated sites (like David Nebenzahl, who recently put up such a fuss when he thought I was trying to moderate this group), to the point of calling the moderation process censorship; it's a fine line to tread. I've setup a list through my web host (8-95.com) but I have a little to learn about administration before I make it available. I do believe some moderation is necessary these days. I can understand why David would be against it. Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:38:48 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote: No, I did not think you were trying to moderate this group, which, as we all know, is unmoderated, so how could I think that? Please don't stuff words in my mouth. Socks OK ? Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:38:48 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote: No, I did not think you were trying to moderate this group, which, as we all know, is unmoderated, so how could I think that? Please don't stuff words in my mouth. Socks OK ? Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:38:48 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote: I object to the "posse" approach of gang-ignoring a particular poster in this case. And exactly what do you recommend ? This group has formed an opinion that the behavior of M.S is not acceptable. The group certainly took its' time about this and many gave him the benefit of a doubt. According to Google Groups, M.S. first posted to r.p.d. July 17th, '03. After 15 months, the group has decided that starving the ego to stop the poor behavior by M.S. is necessary. If that doesn't work then many of us (obviously not including you) believe that he will simply be ignored until he leaves to find a "greener pasture". FYI, this is far from the first time this has been done and in fact the rec.photo.moderated group was formed for just this reason. Tolerance is for children who don't know any better and adults who have the occasional "bad hair day". Not for the behavior that we've seen here for far too long. Also note that r.p.d. would certainly not be the first group to ostracize him. He simply doesn't learn nor does he care. He has no respect for anyone as he simply doesn't know the meaning of the word. Regards, John S. Douglas, Photographer - http://www.puresilver.org Please remove the "_" when replying via email |
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Gregory W Blank wrote:
Probably the real issue is ignoring the bad behavior from anyone, and discussing postive contributions, when the happen. (No names mentioned). Exactly. Very specifically, if someone posts in a factual, helpful manner, then reply away, and don't forget a "Good point, Joe!" If someone (even the same someone) posts in a tone or manner that seems intended to incite bickering, flames, etc., then just ignore it. If necessary, and a particular poster always seems to post in negative mode, never or almost never in positive, consider your killfile as an option. -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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Gregory W Blank wrote:
Being an odd mix of Christian and Taoist I answer within the mind. In article , Donald Qualls wrote: I wonder where those of us who like self-regulation can go next? Sadly, within my own mind are no answers I didn't find or create for myself. If I don't hold all the answers, I must seek out others who might have them. Some of them I find here; some on photo.net, some on the Large Format forum. At times, for the most open exchange of ideas, an unmoderated forum is preferable, but how to keep the lanes from becoming choked with trash or even intentionally spread with mines and caltrops, that is the question... -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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Gregory W Blank wrote:
Being an odd mix of Christian and Taoist I answer within the mind. In article , Donald Qualls wrote: I wonder where those of us who like self-regulation can go next? Sadly, within my own mind are no answers I didn't find or create for myself. If I don't hold all the answers, I must seek out others who might have them. Some of them I find here; some on photo.net, some on the Large Format forum. At times, for the most open exchange of ideas, an unmoderated forum is preferable, but how to keep the lanes from becoming choked with trash or even intentionally spread with mines and caltrops, that is the question... -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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In article ,
Donald Qualls wrote: Sadly, within my own mind are no answers I didn't find or create for myself. If I don't hold all the answers, I must seek out others who might have them. Some of them I find here; some on photo.net, some on the Large Format forum. At times, for the most open exchange of ideas, an unmoderated forum is preferable, but how to keep the lanes from becoming choked with trash or even intentionally spread with mines and caltrops, that is the question... Some may call it giving up, but sometimes accepting that silence is the only answer is enough. I have struggled to be a strong enough person to be able to accept that without making others feel unimportant, that ultimately the only frame of reference I have to decide upon is my own. That's not saying other view points can't shape my opinions and decisions, only that I have learned to value, trust and wait patiently to fullfill my own. -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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In article ,
Donald Qualls wrote: Sadly, within my own mind are no answers I didn't find or create for myself. If I don't hold all the answers, I must seek out others who might have them. Some of them I find here; some on photo.net, some on the Large Format forum. At times, for the most open exchange of ideas, an unmoderated forum is preferable, but how to keep the lanes from becoming choked with trash or even intentionally spread with mines and caltrops, that is the question... Some may call it giving up, but sometimes accepting that silence is the only answer is enough. I have struggled to be a strong enough person to be able to accept that without making others feel unimportant, that ultimately the only frame of reference I have to decide upon is my own. That's not saying other view points can't shape my opinions and decisions, only that I have learned to value, trust and wait patiently to fullfill my own. -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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John wrote in message . ..
Also note that r.p.d. would certainly not be the first group to ostracize him. He simply doesn't learn nor does he care. No, I don't care what many people think. Science is a popularity contest. He has no respect for anyone as he simply doesn't know the meaning of the word. I have respect for those who are not incompetent, brainwashed, or Zonazis. Precious few of them contribute here. |
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