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DSLR sales. Only two ways they can go
In article , PeterN
wrote: Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system that masked all of the flaws. vinyl has always been total crap. it's that there wasn't anything better until cds came along. it's a tiny needle wiggling in a groove. it's horribly primitive. So says the judgemental one, while not mentioning that lots of people like the sound of vinyl. i'm not judging anyone. whatever sound they like (or actually, what they think they like) can be done digitally. the fact is that cd audio far surpasses vinyl. this can be proven mathematically. you can always downgrade cd to sound like vinyl but you can't ever make a vinyl record sound as good as a cd. it's *impossible*. While waiting at a light this morning, some A-hole was playing digital sounds with a booming bass, that my car was shaking, and the sound through closed windows, was drowning out the sound of my radio. that has absolutely nothing to do with digital, which makes *you* the judgmental one. that's been happening for years, long before there was digital, with cassettes or even radio stations. all it takes is a high powered sound system. and if it was as loud as you claim, call the cops and have them cited for a noise violation. |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. Newsflash!! There is this brand new concept called: live performance. whoosh. and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. |
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On 7/27/2015 5:33 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. Newsflash!! There is this brand new concept called: live performance. whoosh. whoosh yourself. Your above statement is idiotic. I know Beethoven couldn't listen to music. There were no microphones and speakers in his day. and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. Yes! Chamber music played for small audiences, usually have speakers. Shessh! Ignorance prevails once again. I regularly go to live performances where the performers would be horrified at the very thought of speakers. Yes microphones are used for a lot of performances. Sound engineers are regularly employed for a lot of concerts. My objection is your implication that one cannot hear music unless there are microphones and speakers. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. Newsflash!! There is this brand new concept called: live performance. whoosh. whoosh yourself. Your above statement is idiotic. I know Beethoven couldn't listen to music. There were no microphones and speakers in his day. whoosh again. this isn't about beethoven's time. and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. Yes! Chamber music played for small audiences, usually have speakers. Shessh! Ignorance prevails once again. I regularly go to live performances where the performers would be horrified at the very thought of speakers. Yes microphones are used for a lot of performances. Sound engineers are regularly employed for a lot of concerts. My objection is your implication that one cannot hear music unless there are microphones and speakers. once again you're arguing just to argue. the issue under discussion was a home stereo with a photo cartridge in a turntable versus a cd player as an input source, connected to an amplifier and speakers. live performances was *never* under discussion. |
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 05:58:40 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: If this sounds alarmist, check out CD or vinyl sales from their highest sales year till now. The drop in sales isn't some minor economic blip, it's an evolution of the market. Not such a great analogy. Cameras are used as tools with a purpose, and some purposes require greater quality than others. CD's have one purpose, listening to music. Another problem is that lots of folks - maybe most - clearly don't care at all about sound quality. Some of the codecs & specs that are used are simply not very good. Oddly enough, vinyl is having its own upward blip, because some people think it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those people are crazy... they're hipsters who think it's cool. Me ahipster? 81 years old and loaded with 17th-18th century music? You gotta be joking. nope. he said vinyl has seen an upward blip. did you buy your vinyl in the past couple of years, contributing to that blip? no, you didn't. you bought it a while ago, probably before there were cds. I replied to because some people ............. think it sounds better. I think that's a good development, even if those people are crazy... they're hipsters who think it's cool. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 7/27/2015 6:10 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. Newsflash!! There is this brand new concept called: live performance. whoosh. whoosh yourself. Your above statement is idiotic. I know Beethoven couldn't listen to music. There were no microphones and speakers in his day. whoosh again. this isn't about beethoven's time. and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. Yes! Chamber music played for small audiences, usually have speakers. Shessh! Ignorance prevails once again. I regularly go to live performances where the performers would be horrified at the very thought of speakers. Yes microphones are used for a lot of performances. Sound engineers are regularly employed for a lot of concerts. My objection is your implication that one cannot hear music unless there are microphones and speakers. once again you're arguing just to argue. the issue under discussion was a home stereo with a photo cartridge in a turntable versus a cd player as an input source, connected to an amplifier and speakers. live performances was *never* under discussion. Your statement: "it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier." An unqualified statement. Another absolute statement by you: " and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments." Yet you have the temerity to state that: "live performances were never under discussion." I raised the issue, and it was not until you were cornered that you bleat: "live performances were never under discussion." And continue to argue when your error is pointed out. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. Yes! Chamber music played for small audiences, usually have speakers. Shessh! Ignorance prevails once again. I regularly go to live performances where the performers would be horrified at the very thought of speakers. Yes microphones are used for a lot of performances. Sound engineers are regularly employed for a lot of concerts. My objection is your implication that one cannot hear music unless there are microphones and speakers. once again you're arguing just to argue. the issue under discussion was a home stereo with a photo cartridge in a turntable versus a cd player as an input source, connected to an amplifier and speakers. live performances was *never* under discussion. Your statement: "it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier." An unqualified statement. Another absolute statement by you: " and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments." Yet you have the temerity to state that: "live performances were never under discussion." they were not, which you would know if you had actually read the post to which i was responding as well as preceding posts. you really should do that. otherwise you end up looking like a total idiot. here it is: In article , nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do. cds eliminates the first one. the rest you can't eliminate. it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. do you see where it says 'most systems' ?? guess what that means. hint: it does *not* mean 'live acoustic performance'. now, if you click the reference link, you can see eric's post (which i trimmed slightly but feel free to read it in its entirety), where bill was discussing *home sound systems*, mfsl records and cds. eric mentioned cartridge and speakers being weak points. again *home* *sound* *systems*, records and cds. not a single mention of live performances. zero. nada. zilch. In article , Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 23:31:28 -0700, Bill W wrote: They also think hiss = warmth. Part of the problem, or maybe the whole problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing. That was before CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked. Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done. Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then. Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system that masked all of the flaws. There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do. I raised the issue, and it was not until you were cornered that you bleat: "live performances were never under discussion." nope. you argue for the sake of argument. And continue to argue when your error is pointed out. the only error is of your own making. |
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On 7/27/2015 7:11 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments. Yes! Chamber music played for small audiences, usually have speakers. Shessh! Ignorance prevails once again. I regularly go to live performances where the performers would be horrified at the very thought of speakers. Yes microphones are used for a lot of performances. Sound engineers are regularly employed for a lot of concerts. My objection is your implication that one cannot hear music unless there are microphones and speakers. once again you're arguing just to argue. the issue under discussion was a home stereo with a photo cartridge in a turntable versus a cd player as an input source, connected to an amplifier and speakers. live performances was *never* under discussion. Your statement: "it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier." An unqualified statement. Another absolute statement by you: " and live performances usually have speakers and amplifiers, but don't let that get in the way of your idiotic arguments." Yet you have the temerity to state that: "live performances were never under discussion." they were not, which you would know if you had actually read the post to which i was responding as well as preceding posts. you really should do that. otherwise you end up looking like a total idiot. here it is: In article , nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do. cds eliminates the first one. the rest you can't eliminate. it's a bit hard to listen to music if you don't have speakers or an amplifier. do you see where it says 'most systems' ?? guess what that means. hint: it does *not* mean 'live acoustic performance'. now, if you click the reference link, you can see eric's post (which i trimmed slightly but feel free to read it in its entirety), where bill was discussing *home sound systems*, mfsl records and cds. eric mentioned cartridge and speakers being weak points. again *home* *sound* *systems*, records and cds. not a single mention of live performances. zero. nada. zilch. In article , Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 23:31:28 -0700, Bill W wrote: They also think hiss = warmth. Part of the problem, or maybe the whole problem, became crystal clear to me many years ago. I bought a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs album, and the sound was amazing. That was before CD's came out, and when the CD of that album came out, I couldn't wait to listen to it. I assumed it would be beyond belief. Well, it sucked. Flat, lifeless, everything you always hear from the vinyl nuts. But it was representative of the overall problem. It was simply badly done. Very badly done. It really was hit or miss back then. Another thing many people just don't understand is that if you listen to one of those really great sounding vinyl LP's from years ago on high end equipment, you will soon realize that the sound on that LP is total crap, and it was simply being "healed" by a crappy sound system that masked all of the flaws. There are two weak points in most systems. The first is the cartridge and associated bits and pieces. The second is most definitely the speakers. Amplifiers are reasonably easy to do. I raised the issue, and it was not until you were cornered that you bleat: "live performances were never under discussion." nope. you argue for the sake of argument. And continue to argue when your error is pointed out. the only error is of your own making. I see. Sorry. I missed the connection between "most systems," and your statement to the effect that one cannot hear music without microphones and speakers. I also missed your connection between microphones and most home systems. Good thing that you cleared that up. -- PeterN |
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DSLR sales. Only two ways they can go
In article , PeterN
wrote: I see. Sorry. I missed the connection between "most systems," and your statement to the effect that one cannot hear music without microphones and speakers. I also missed your connection between microphones and most home systems. Good thing that you cleared that up. i never mentioned microphones. you *really* ought to quit before you dig yourself an even deeper hole. |
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