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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-23 02:35:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:28:33 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-22 15:39:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 7/22/2015 10:15 AM, nospam wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? I print adjusted NEFs, RAFs, CR2s, PSD, and TIFF from Lightroom to my R2880. I don't have any JPEGs in Lightroom. With both of my Epson printers I can print RAW directly from the camera (USB) or memory card. Are you using the Epson RAW Plugin? I have never heard of an Epson RAW plugin. I don't even have to install Epson drivers as the Epson printers are supported by OSX basically making the Epson (...and Canon, HP, etc.) plug 'n' play on Macs. The OS recognises the printer and downloads whatever it needs (in my case the Epson printer utility) and goes to work. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-23 02:35:01 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:28:33 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-22 15:39:59 +0000, PeterN said: On 7/22/2015 10:15 AM, nospam wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? I print adjusted NEFs, RAFs, CR2s, PSD, and TIFF from Lightroom to my R2880. I don't have any JPEGs in Lightroom. With both of my Epson printers I can print RAW directly from the camera (USB) or memory card. Are you using the Epson RAW Plugin? BTW: Now your clock seems to be running a few hours fast. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-22 23:04:49 +0000, nospam said:
In article 2015072215574520614-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Like me, PeterN is trying to find out how it is possible for a printer to swallow a raw file and spit out an image. My understanding is that this is not possible. You seem to be supporting that view by extending the argument to 'conversion'. Go to Lightroom and select any NEF or DNG you have available. If you want to make whatever adjustments and edits you choose to (including aspect ratio crops) in the Develop Module, or not. Next go to the print module and you will find that you should have little trouble printing that NEF, or DNG, all without an intermediate JPEG phase. As I said I don't have any JPEGs in Lightroom. As to what Lightroom does as an intermediate phase I have no idea, as it doesn't leave any evidence of sneakily creating a JPEG without my knowledge. it doesn't need to create anything. all it does is render the image based on any edits you've made and sends it to the display or printer. Your sarcasm meter seems to be out of wack with regard to my final remark inmy response to Eric. In fact there was no need for you to try and educate me on the subject at all. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
| Why BMP?
| It's a simple map of pixels with no lossiness, so if I'm through with RAW adjustments, or if I want to work on a JPG, BMP is a way to store the data. (On Windows.) | All my shooting is RAW, and occasionalty RAW+JPEG. Since my workflow is | Lightroom+ Photoshop I have no need to print from JPEG, and so I don't | have to concern myself with compression artifacts in the prints. For | posting online I export to JPEG from Lightroom. | That makes sense. I just didn't realize RAW stored EXIF. Since it's generally in JPGs I mistakenly thought it was a JPG-only feature. |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-22 23:37:21 +0000, "Mayayana" said:
| Why BMP? | It's a simple map of pixels with no lossiness, so if I'm through with RAW adjustments, or if I want to work on a JPG, BMP is a way to store the data. (On Windows.) You are going to have a better adjusted archive image file if you save as a TIF or PSD. That said I don't recall what post processing software you are using, and your method might be more than adequate for your needs. I never use BMP and see little purpose of even going down that road. | All my shooting is RAW, and occasionalty RAW+JPEG. Since my workflow is | Lightroom+ Photoshop I have no need to print from JPEG, and so I don't | have to concern myself with compression artifacts in the prints. For | posting online I export to JPEG from Lightroom. | That makes sense. I just didn't realize RAW stored EXIF. Since it's generally in JPGs I mistakenly thought it was a JPG-only feature. Nope it's a RAW feature which rubs off on JPEGs whenever they play with the big boys. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-23 03:36:37 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:57:45 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-23 02:17:44 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:09:15 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? all of them. Proof? open raw image. choose print from the menus. collect print from printer. optionally adjust image prior to printing. Are you saying there is no conversion prior to printing. obviously the printer driver converts the data to whatever format the printer needs, but that isn't anything that the user sees nor needs to be concerned about. whatever software you're using also converts the data to its own native format. your camera isn't spitting out .psd files. the user simply opens a raw image, adjusts to taste and prints. done. they do the same thing with a text file, spreadsheet, 3d graphic or whatever else. just open the document, adjust if desired, choose print and collect print. the point is there is *no* need to save as a jpeg or any other interim format to print. So there is a conversion. Once there is a need for conversion, it is immaterial whether the user does the conversion, or an activated app does the conversion. nope. once again, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. the raw image is converted to pixels on the display and nobody considers that a conversion. the magnetic fields on the hard drive are converted to electrical pulses and nobody considers that a conversion. there's a conversion with *everything* on a computer. the printer is just another display device that uses paper instead of a liquid crystal (or crt). apps draw to either or both and may not even know the difference. again, the user opens a raw image ... Opens a raw image in what? Whatever software you are using. In our case that should be Lightroom. ... (or whatever format, it doesn't even need to be an image) and picks print and the computer does the rest. that is not a conversion. Of course it is. Your statement is contrary to other comments I have heard. then you're listening to ignorant people. Leave out snarky comments. i'll say whatever i want. Your attitude adds to your persona. You have a sick and desperate need for attention. Looks like you have to keep convincing yourself of your greatness. Too bad others are not so convinced. the fact that you're resorting to insults shows that you have nothing whatsoever to refute what i'm saying. as i said, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and it's failing. I don't think you are right about this. Like me, PeterN is trying to find out how it is possible for a printer to swallow a raw file and spit out an image. My understanding is that this is not possible. You seem to be supporting that view by extending the argument to 'conversion'. Go to Lightroom and select any NEF or DNG you have available. If you want to make whatever adjustments and edits you choose to (including aspect ratio crops) in the Develop Module, or not. But - but - but .... That is not printing directly from a raw image. There is the small matter of a huge wad of LR in the way. OK! Then connect your camera to your trusty R3880, or use a card reader via USB and select an NEF to print. No computer, no Lightroom, no Photoshop. People are at cross purposes. I've just posted another article on that subject. You are too concerned with the mystery of the process. Next go to the print module and you will find that you should have little trouble printing that NEF, or DNG, all without an intermediate JPEG phase. As I said I don't have any JPEGs in Lightroom. As to what Lightroom does as an intermediate phase I have no idea, as it doesn't leave any evidence of sneakily creating a JPEG without my knowledge. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-23 03:41:49 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:09:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: BTW: Now your clock seems to be running a few hours fast. Yes. I swapped over the system drive on my computer (disk image and all that) and I am waiting out of curiousity to discover when the clock pulls itself into sync with a master time station (or whatever they call them). You may have to put with the wrong time from me for a few more days. Why not just sync it yourself? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Thirsty Moth
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:52:31 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? all of them. Proof? open raw image. choose print from the menus. collect print from printer. Open raw image in what? optionally adjust image prior to printing. Your statement is contrary to other comments I have heard. then you're listening to ignorant people. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Thirsty Moth
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:09:15 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? all of them. Proof? open raw image. choose print from the menus. collect print from printer. optionally adjust image prior to printing. Are you saying there is no conversion prior to printing. obviously the printer driver converts the data to whatever format the printer needs, but that isn't anything that the user sees nor needs to be concerned about. whatever software you're using also converts the data to its own native format. your camera isn't spitting out .psd files. the user simply opens a raw image, adjusts to taste and prints. done. they do the same thing with a text file, spreadsheet, 3d graphic or whatever else. just open the document, adjust if desired, choose print and collect print. the point is there is *no* need to save as a jpeg or any other interim format to print. So there is a conversion. Once there is a need for conversion, it is immaterial whether the user does the conversion, or an activated app does the conversion. nope. once again, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. the raw image is converted to pixels on the display and nobody considers that a conversion. the magnetic fields on the hard drive are converted to electrical pulses and nobody considers that a conversion. there's a conversion with *everything* on a computer. the printer is just another display device that uses paper instead of a liquid crystal (or crt). apps draw to either or both and may not even know the difference. again, the user opens a raw image ... Opens a raw image in what? ... (or whatever format, it doesn't even need to be an image) and picks print and the computer does the rest. that is not a conversion. Of course it is. Your statement is contrary to other comments I have heard. then you're listening to ignorant people. Leave out snarky comments. i'll say whatever i want. Your attitude adds to your persona. You have a sick and desperate need for attention. Looks like you have to keep convincing yourself of your greatness. Too bad others are not so convinced. the fact that you're resorting to insults shows that you have nothing whatsoever to refute what i'm saying. as i said, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and it's failing. I don't think you are right about this. Like me, PeterN is trying to find out how it is possible for a printer to swallow a raw file and spit out an image. My understanding is that this is not possible. You seem to be supporting that view by extending the argument to 'conversion'. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Thirsty Moth
On 2015-07-23 05:21:08 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:00:09 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-23 03:36:37 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:57:45 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-07-23 02:17:44 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:09:15 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: posting obviously must be jpg but for printing, they're directly printed from raw. Which printers print directly from RAW? all of them. Proof? open raw image. choose print from the menus. collect print from printer. optionally adjust image prior to printing. Are you saying there is no conversion prior to printing. obviously the printer driver converts the data to whatever format the printer needs, but that isn't anything that the user sees nor needs to be concerned about. whatever software you're using also converts the data to its own native format. your camera isn't spitting out .psd files. the user simply opens a raw image, adjusts to taste and prints. done. they do the same thing with a text file, spreadsheet, 3d graphic or whatever else. just open the document, adjust if desired, choose print and collect print. the point is there is *no* need to save as a jpeg or any other interim format to print. So there is a conversion. Once there is a need for conversion, it is immaterial whether the user does the conversion, or an activated app does the conversion. nope. once again, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing. the raw image is converted to pixels on the display and nobody considers that a conversion. the magnetic fields on the hard drive are converted to electrical pulses and nobody considers that a conversion. there's a conversion with *everything* on a computer. the printer is just another display device that uses paper instead of a liquid crystal (or crt). apps draw to either or both and may not even know the difference. again, the user opens a raw image ... Opens a raw image in what? Whatever software you are using. In our case that should be Lightroom. ... (or whatever format, it doesn't even need to be an image) and picks print and the computer does the rest. that is not a conversion. Of course it is. Your statement is contrary to other comments I have heard. then you're listening to ignorant people. Leave out snarky comments. i'll say whatever i want. Your attitude adds to your persona. You have a sick and desperate need for attention. Looks like you have to keep convincing yourself of your greatness. Too bad others are not so convinced. the fact that you're resorting to insults shows that you have nothing whatsoever to refute what i'm saying. as i said, you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing, and it's failing. I don't think you are right about this. Like me, PeterN is trying to find out how it is possible for a printer to swallow a raw file and spit out an image. My understanding is that this is not possible. You seem to be supporting that view by extending the argument to 'conversion'. Go to Lightroom and select any NEF or DNG you have available. If you want to make whatever adjustments and edits you choose to (including aspect ratio crops) in the Develop Module, or not. But - but - but .... That is not printing directly from a raw image. There is the small matter of a huge wad of LR in the way. OK! Then connect your camera to your trusty R3880, or use a card reader via USB and select an NEF to print. No computer, no Lightroom, no Photoshop. ... and no option to print. Maybe you can do it on your Mac but no Windows machine that I have seen has the ability to print straight from a raw file. Presumably your OS has some kind of software which Windows lacks. Read what I wrote; "No computer, no Lightroom, no Photoshop." That means no OS to deal with. No Windows, no OSX. You don't even have to have the printer connected to your computer. All you need is a PICTBridge enabled camera and a PICTBridge enabled printer. All Nikon digital cameras, including the DSLRs are PICTBridge enabled. If you go to your manual you will find that your D750, along with the D610, D810, D4S, D300S, my Fujifilm X-E2, and even our antique D70's are all PICTBridge enabled, and can print to a PICTBridge enabled printer. My R2880, & XP-610 are PICTBridge enabled. I am not sure of the capability of your R3880, or Tony's XP-410. People are at cross purposes. I've just posted another article on that subject. You are too concerned with the mystery of the process. I beg to differ. OK! OK! I was just addressing your particular thing. ;-) Ignoring what you describe as 'the mystery of the process' makes it possible to make sweeping statements which can neither be discussed nor defended. Even worse, it enables a person to have completely the wrong idea about what is going on. Next go to the print module and you will find that you should have little trouble printing that NEF, or DNG, all without an intermediate JPEG phase. As I said I don't have any JPEGs in Lightroom. As to what Lightroom does as an intermediate phase I have no idea, as it doesn't leave any evidence of sneakily creating a JPEG without my knowledge. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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