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Photoshop CC 2015
"Bill W" wrote in message
... On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Bill W" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS" wrote: I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new case, processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM, video, and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install of Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't sleep. It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut down either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I found the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers. I took the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because I was using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows before. Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS 2015 and see how it goes. If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that might be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding the USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things working, but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your problem might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I bring this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and there is still a minor issue remaining. Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board has the latest BIOS. It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the same motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster processor, liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which was upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1. In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an install. I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the cards. I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one card and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting the power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did the same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They worked fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now they don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that goes as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they were, I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if no card was inserted. The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking win 8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer after disabling hybrid sleep? I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but as you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs perfectly, no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep, that didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my problems go away. I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back from them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of the ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can just get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to be particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB 3 ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1 connection. I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2 connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue with the one I already have. |
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Photoshop CC 2015
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:22:12 -0400, "PAS"
wrote: "Bill W" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Bill W" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS" wrote: I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new case, processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM, video, and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install of Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't sleep. It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut down either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I found the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers. I took the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because I was using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows before. Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS 2015 and see how it goes. If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that might be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding the USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things working, but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your problem might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I bring this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and there is still a minor issue remaining. Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board has the latest BIOS. It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the same motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster processor, liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which was upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1. In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an install. I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the cards. I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one card and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting the power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did the same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They worked fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now they don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that goes as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they were, I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if no card was inserted. The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking win 8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer after disabling hybrid sleep? I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but as you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs perfectly, no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep, that didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my problems go away. I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back from them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of the ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can just get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to be particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB 3 ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1 connection. I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2 connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue with the one I already have. I might be misreading what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure it's a big mistake to plug a USB2 lead into a USB3 connector on the motherboard (or card), and vice versa. They have very different wiring schemes. This once again probably has nothing to do with your sleep issue, but it still sounds like a problem. It's also my understanding that Win 8.1 supplies the USB3 drivers, and I still believe that when you did the clean install of Windows, that started your problems. The clean install makes a lot of decisions for you in the settings that it wouldn't do in an upgrade. This link has some info that might help, mainly how to tell exactly what woke up the computer: http://alinirimia.com/2013/11/window...ow-to-stop-it/ I would also go back into the settings to make sure that your changes stuck - I've had problems with settings reverting. And there is a checkbox for "turn on fast startup" that is in a lot of discussions. If that is checked, the computer never turns off completely, and some people have had issues with that. I unchecked that on one of my PC's, and it cured one problem. And I'm not sure that we should be airing our dirty laundry here. The Mac users are probably laughing behind our backs. *******s. |
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Photoshop CC 2015
"Bill W" wrote in message
... On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:22:12 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Bill W" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Bill W" wrote in message m... On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS" wrote: I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new case, processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM, video, and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install of Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't sleep. It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut down either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I found the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers. I took the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because I was using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows before. Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS 2015 and see how it goes. If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that might be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding the USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things working, but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your problem might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I bring this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and there is still a minor issue remaining. Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board has the latest BIOS. It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the same motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster processor, liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which was upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1. In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an install. I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the cards. I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one card and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting the power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did the same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They worked fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now they don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that goes as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they were, I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if no card was inserted. The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking win 8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer after disabling hybrid sleep? I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but as you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs perfectly, no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep, that didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my problems go away. I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back from them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of the ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can just get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to be particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB 3 ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1 connection. I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2 connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue with the one I already have. I might be misreading what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure it's a big mistake to plug a USB2 lead into a USB3 connector on the motherboard (or card), and vice versa. They have very different wiring schemes. This once again probably has nothing to do with your sleep issue, but it still sounds like a problem. You didn't misread. My thinking that USB 3 ports being backward compatible for USB 2 devices made me think that I could make the connection but that may have been pretty stupid of me since one probably has nothing to do with the other. I should disconnect that and I might be able to plug one-half of that 20-pin lead onto the USB 3 connection on the board, maybe not. I'll search for an answer before I do that. It's also my understanding that Win 8.1 supplies the USB3 drivers, and I still believe that when you did the clean install of Windows, that started your problems. The clean install makes a lot of decisions for you in the settings that it wouldn't do in an upgrade. This link has some info that might help, mainly how to tell exactly what woke up the computer: http://alinirimia.com/2013/11/window...ow-to-stop-it/ Windows 8 does supply USB 3 drivers. The manufacturer of the USB 3 card states that also on their site and, therefore, do not provide drivers for Windows 8. Perhaps connecting that USB 2 lead to the USB 3 connection caused a problem as I never used that connection in my older build with the same motherboard. I'll see if the USB 3 card is usable after disconnecting the USB 2 lead from the USB 3 connection. I did some checking using the powercfg command to see what was waking up the computer but most times it indicated nothing did. Once it noted that another device on the network was trying to access the system but allowing the LAN to wake up the computer was already disabled. I would also go back into the settings to make sure that your changes stuck - I've had problems with settings reverting. And there is a checkbox for "turn on fast startup" that is in a lot of discussions. If that is checked, the computer never turns off completely, and some people have had issues with that. I unchecked that on one of my PC's, and it cured one problem. And I'm not sure that we should be airing our dirty laundry here. The Mac users are probably laughing behind our backs. *******s. LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any problems. |
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Photoshop CC 2015
In article , PAS
wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost only if your time is worth nothing. while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any problems. while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working, mac users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it is they want to do with it. |
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On 2015-06-19 14:55, PAS wrote:
LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K. In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k. Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years? That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ... |
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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
... On 2015-06-19 14:55, PAS wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K. In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k. Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years? That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ... I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac, it's that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine. |
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Photoshop CC 2015
"nospam" wrote in message
... In article , PAS wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost only if your time is worth nothing. while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any problems. while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working, mac users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it is they want to do with it. You can't understand a joke, it's apparent. I've been building my own desktops for over 15 years. The biggest issue I've ever had is the latest one I outlined. Even with the issue, I still manage to get a lot of work done with my system and now I've resolved the problem. It's still cheaper than buying a Mac. |
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In article , PAS
wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K. In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k. Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years? That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ... I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac, not with the same specs, you can't. an imac retina 5k starts at $2000. dell's 5k display is $2000 for *just* the display. no computer included. already, you're screwed. you would then need to build a computer with *two* displayport video cards since a single displayport can't support 5k displays yet and then you'd need get apps to deal with splitting the output properly. it's that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine. nor is the value of your time. |
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In article , PAS
wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost only if your time is worth nothing. while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any problems. while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working, mac users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it is they want to do with it. You can't understand a joke, it's apparent. the joke is on you. I've been building my own desktops for over 15 years. The biggest issue I've ever had is the latest one I outlined. Even with the issue, I still manage to get a lot of work done with my system and now I've resolved the problem. It's still cheaper than buying a Mac. no it isn't, and clearly you don't value your time. |
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Photoshop CC 2015
"nospam" wrote in message
... In article , PAS wrote: LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K. In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k. Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years? That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ... I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac, not with the same specs, you can't. an imac retina 5k starts at $2000. dell's 5k display is $2000 for *just* the display. no computer included. already, you're screwed. you would then need to build a computer with *two* displayport video cards since a single displayport can't support 5k displays yet and then you'd need get apps to deal with splitting the output properly. Uh, no. I have no need for a retina display, that doesn't fit into the equation. it's that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine. nor is the value of your time. |
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