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Old June 19th 15, 04:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Bill W" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS"
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"Bill W" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new
case,
processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM,
video,
and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install of
Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't
sleep.
It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut
down
either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I
found
the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers. I
took
the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because I
was
using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows before.
Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS
2015
and see how it goes.

If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that
might
be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding the
USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things working,
but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your
problem
might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I bring
this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and
there is still a minor issue remaining.


Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It
accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board
has
the latest BIOS.

It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the
same
motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster processor,
liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which
was
upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1.

In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management
settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same
BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an
install.
I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the
cards.
I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I
disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the
Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last
night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one
card
and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting
the
power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing
with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did the
same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They worked
fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now they
don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that
goes
as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots
cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they
were,
I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if no
card was inserted.


The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean
install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is
automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a
good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to
look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking win
8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a
solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer
after disabling hybrid sleep?


I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I
didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but as
you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the
problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean
install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs perfectly,
no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep, that
didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my
problems go away.

I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back from
them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able
to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of the
ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but
seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in
the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can just
get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite
the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to be
particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB 3
ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead
while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My
motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1 connection.
I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2
connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the
motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one
for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a
connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a
different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue
with the one I already have.

  #22  
Old June 19th 15, 07:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:22:12 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

"Bill W" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

"Bill W" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new
case,
processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM,
video,
and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install of
Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't
sleep.
It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut
down
either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I
found
the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers. I
took
the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because I
was
using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows before.
Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS
2015
and see how it goes.

If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that
might
be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding the
USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things working,
but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your
problem
might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I bring
this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and
there is still a minor issue remaining.

Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It
accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board
has
the latest BIOS.

It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the
same
motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster processor,
liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which
was
upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1.

In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management
settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same
BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an
install.
I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the
cards.
I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I
disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the
Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last
night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one
card
and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting
the
power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing
with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did the
same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They worked
fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now they
don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that
goes
as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots
cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they
were,
I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if no
card was inserted.


The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean
install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is
automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a
good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to
look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking win
8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a
solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer
after disabling hybrid sleep?


I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I
didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but as
you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the
problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean
install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs perfectly,
no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep, that
didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my
problems go away.

I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back from
them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able
to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of the
ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but
seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in
the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can just
get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite
the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to be
particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB 3
ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead
while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My
motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1 connection.
I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2
connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the
motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one
for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a
connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a
different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue
with the one I already have.


I might be misreading what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure it's a big
mistake to plug a USB2 lead into a USB3 connector on the motherboard
(or card), and vice versa. They have very different wiring schemes.
This once again probably has nothing to do with your sleep issue, but
it still sounds like a problem.

It's also my understanding that Win 8.1 supplies the USB3 drivers, and
I still believe that when you did the clean install of Windows, that
started your problems. The clean install makes a lot of decisions for
you in the settings that it wouldn't do in an upgrade. This link has
some info that might help, mainly how to tell exactly what woke up the
computer:

http://alinirimia.com/2013/11/window...ow-to-stop-it/

I would also go back into the settings to make sure that your changes
stuck - I've had problems with settings reverting. And there is a
checkbox for "turn on fast startup" that is in a lot of discussions.
If that is checked, the computer never turns off completely, and some
people have had issues with that. I unchecked that on one of my PC's,
and it cured one problem.

And I'm not sure that we should be airing our dirty laundry here. The
Mac users are probably laughing behind our backs. *******s.
  #23  
Old June 19th 15, 07:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PAS
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Posts: 480
Default Photoshop CC 2015

"Bill W" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:22:12 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

"Bill W" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:07:12 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

"Bill W" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 11:54:31 -0400, "PAS"
wrote:

I just finished a new "old" build on my desktop. I bought a new
case,
processor, and cooling system. I used the same motherboard, RAM,
video,
and add-in cards (two 5-port USB 3 cards). After a clean install
of
Windows 8.1, I was experiencing problems. The system wouldn't
sleep.
It would go to sleep and wake right up. The system wouldn't shut
down
either. It would do a shut down and then immediately reboot. I
found
the problem to be the two 5-port USB 3.0 cards or their drivers.
I
took
the cards out and he system works perfectly. It's strange because
I
was
using these with the same motherboard and version of Windows
before.
Now that I've narrowed down the problem, I'll do an install of PS
2015
and see how it goes.

If you Google "win 8.1 will not shut down", there is a fix that
might
be relevant. There might also be setting in your bios regarding
the
USB cards & their slots. I understand that you have things
working,
but if you want to use those cards, there might be a way. Your
problem
might also be an older motherboard, if that's what you have. I
bring
this up only because I had the same problem after an upgrade, and
there is still a minor issue remaining.

Thanks Bill. The board is not new, I've had it for a few years. It
accommodates the new processor I bought, an AMD FX-8350. The board
has
the latest BIOS.

It is strange since the cards worked fine in the other build in the
same
motherboard. Technically, the only difference is a faster
processor,
liquid cooling, and a new case. The old system was Windows 8 which
was
upgraded to 8.1. The new system is a clean install of 8.1.

In the old system, I made no changes in the BIOS or power management
settings - everything worked. In the new build, not the case. Same
BIOS and settings and the Windows settings are "as is" after an
install.
I tried everything to solve the problem before I knew it was the
cards.
I disabled every USB device from being able to wake the system. I
disabled the LAN from being able to wake the system. I disabled the
Windows 8 "hybrid" shutdown feature. Nothing worked. Finally, last
night I took the cards out and the system worked fine. I took one
card
and put it into each of the three available slots without connecting
the
power supply to it and the problem reappeared. I did the same thing
with the power supply connected and the problem reappeared. I did
the
same steps with the second identical card. Same problem. They
worked
fine before the new build and a clean install of Windows 8.1, now
they
don't. I'm going to replace one with a newer card and see how that
goes
as I need some additional USB 3 ports. All three motherboard slots
cannot be bad, that is highly unlikely to be the case and if they
were,
I don't think it would cause this problem because it would be as if
no
card was inserted.

The issues about shutdown/sleep, seemed to always mention a clean
install, so I still think it's related to a setting in 8.1 that is
automatically chosen by Windows. Regardless, a new card might be a
good thing to try, but I would first go to the card mrf's website to
look for updated drivers. I also Googled "usb 3 cards keep waking
win
8.1 computer", and there are many hits, and there is probably a
solution somewhere in there. Finally, did you reboot your computer
after disabling hybrid sleep?


I focused my searches for "Windows 8 won't sleep or shut down". I
didn't focus at all on the USB 3 card being the cause at the time but
as
you noted, there are a lot of threads about that. The card is the
problem, or the driver. Why they worked before but not after a clean
install is a mystery. With the cards out, the computer runs
perfectly,
no issues at all. BTW, I did reboot after disabling hybrid sleep,
that
didn't solve the problem. Only when I removed the USB 3 cards did my
problems go away.

I have requested help from the manufacturer but have not heard back
from
them as of yet. As an aside, after removing the two cards, I was able
to answer my question "why are these two ports not working?" Two of
the
ports have blown caps. The other card is fine, all ports work but
seeing how two caps on the other one have blown, I'm not confident in
the quality. Both are past the 18-month warranty period. If I can
just
get that one to work right I should be able to make do. I might bite
the bullet and find another card with a different chipset. I have to
be
particular about the card, though. The front of the case has two USB
3
ports and two USB 2 ports. Each USB 2 port has it's own ten-pin lead
while the USB 3 port leads are combined in one 20-pin lead. My
motherboard has single ten-pin leads for one USB 3, 2, and 1
connection.
I connected the two USB 2 leads to the single USB 3 and USB 2
connections. I have nowhere to connect the 20-pin USB 3 lead on the
motherboard so those ports are not functioning and I need at least one
for my USB 3 memory card reader. The USB 3 cards I took out have a
connection for the 20-pin lead for the front ports so I have to find a
different card that has this connection if I cannot resolve the issue
with the one I already have.


I might be misreading what you wrote, but I'm pretty sure it's a big
mistake to plug a USB2 lead into a USB3 connector on the motherboard
(or card), and vice versa. They have very different wiring schemes.
This once again probably has nothing to do with your sleep issue, but
it still sounds like a problem.


You didn't misread. My thinking that USB 3 ports being backward
compatible for USB 2 devices made me think that I could make the
connection but that may have been pretty stupid of me since one probably
has nothing to do with the other. I should disconnect that and I might
be able to plug one-half of that 20-pin lead onto the USB 3 connection
on the board, maybe not. I'll search for an answer before I do that.

It's also my understanding that Win 8.1 supplies the USB3 drivers, and
I still believe that when you did the clean install of Windows, that
started your problems. The clean install makes a lot of decisions for
you in the settings that it wouldn't do in an upgrade. This link has
some info that might help, mainly how to tell exactly what woke up the
computer:

http://alinirimia.com/2013/11/window...ow-to-stop-it/


Windows 8 does supply USB 3 drivers. The manufacturer of the USB 3 card
states that also on their site and, therefore, do not provide drivers
for Windows 8. Perhaps connecting that USB 2 lead to the USB 3
connection caused a problem as I never used that connection in my older
build with the same motherboard. I'll see if the USB 3 card is usable
after disconnecting the USB 2 lead from the USB 3 connection.

I did some checking using the powercfg command to see what was waking up
the computer but most times it indicated nothing did. Once it noted
that another device on the network was trying to access the system but
allowing the LAN to wake up the computer was already disabled.

I would also go back into the settings to make sure that your changes
stuck - I've had problems with settings reverting. And there is a
checkbox for "turn on fast startup" that is in a lot of discussions.
If that is checked, the computer never turns off completely, and some
people have had issues with that. I unchecked that on one of my PC's,
and it cured one problem.

And I'm not sure that we should be airing our dirty laundry here. The
Mac users are probably laughing behind our backs. *******s.


LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost
while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I
didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any
problems.

  #24  
Old June 19th 15, 08:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , PAS
wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


only if your time is worth nothing.

while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If I
didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having any
problems.


while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working, mac
users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it
is they want to do with it.
  #25  
Old June 20th 15, 02:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2015-06-19 14:55, PAS wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K.

In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k.

Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that
retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years?

That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ...
  #26  
Old June 22nd 15, 04:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PAS
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Posts: 480
Default Photoshop CC 2015

"Alan Browne" wrote in message
...
On 2015-06-19 14:55, PAS wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K.

In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k.

Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that
retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years?

That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ...


I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac, it's
that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine.

  #27  
Old June 22nd 15, 04:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PAS
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Posts: 480
Default Photoshop CC 2015

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , PAS
wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


only if your time is worth nothing.

while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If
I
didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having
any
problems.


while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working,
mac
users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it
is they want to do with it.


You can't understand a joke, it's apparent. I've been building my own
desktops for over 15 years. The biggest issue I've ever had is the
latest one I outlined. Even with the issue, I still manage to get a lot
of work done with my system and now I've resolved the problem. It's
still cheaper than buying a Mac.

  #28  
Old June 22nd 15, 04:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default Photoshop CC 2015

In article , PAS
wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K.

In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k.

Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that
retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years?

That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ...


I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac,


not with the same specs, you can't.

an imac retina 5k starts at $2000.

dell's 5k display is $2000 for *just* the display. no computer
included. already, you're screwed.

you would then need to build a computer with *two* displayport video
cards since a single displayport can't support 5k displays yet and then
you'd need get apps to deal with splitting the output properly.

it's
that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine.


nor is the value of your time.
  #29  
Old June 22nd 15, 04:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default Photoshop CC 2015

In article , PAS
wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less cost


only if your time is worth nothing.

while the Mac users miss the fun we have troubleshooting things. If
I didn't have that USB 3 card installed, I wouldn't have been having
any problems.


while you're having so much 'fun' trying to get everything working, mac
users are actually using their computer doing real work or whatever it
is they want to do with it.


You can't understand a joke, it's apparent.


the joke is on you.

I've been building my own
desktops for over 15 years. The biggest issue I've ever had is the
latest one I outlined. Even with the issue, I still manage to get a lot
of work done with my system and now I've resolved the problem. It's
still cheaper than buying a Mac.


no it isn't, and clearly you don't value your time.
  #30  
Old June 22nd 15, 05:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PAS
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 480
Default Photoshop CC 2015

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , PAS
wrote:

LOL!!! We windows users get to build our own systems for less
cost

I bought a 2007 iMac in early 2008 for a little over $2K.

In 2013 I sold it for just under $1k.

Now tell me what high end PC you can get or build at any price that
retains 1/3 or more of its value after 5 years?

That money for the sold iMac went to buy a new one of course ...


I can build a high-powered desktop for less than the cost of a Mac,


not with the same specs, you can't.

an imac retina 5k starts at $2000.

dell's 5k display is $2000 for *just* the display. no computer
included. already, you're screwed.

you would then need to build a computer with *two* displayport video
cards since a single displayport can't support 5k displays yet and
then
you'd need get apps to deal with splitting the output properly.


Uh, no. I have no need for a retina display, that doesn't fit into the
equation.

it's
that simple. Resale value is not a concern of mine.


nor is the value of your time.


 




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