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"JohnR66" wrote in message
... The Nikon lens is 3x the price. It had better be superior. I've not seen image quality comparisons. From my experience, the Canon zoom has been very good in image quality given the price. John ---------- Lens quality is not (should not) be related to price. There are measurement parameters that suggest the lens is of high quality and, if photos taken under adverse lighting conditions prove the quality of the lens, then it may be safe to assume the lens is good. I would guess that *any* lens used at the optimum aperture under good lighting conditions will provide good results. There are high priced lenses that don't make it and there are lower priced lenses that are excellent if you consider fixed FL lenses. The Nikon 50 mm f1.8 at ~$100 (US) is an example of an good inexpensive lens. I am not familiar with Canon lenses but I think the Canon 50 mm lens also fits this category. Regards, Don F |
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"Don F" writes:
There are high priced lenses that don't make it and there are lower priced lenses that are excellent if you consider fixed FL lenses. The Nikon 50 mm f1.8 at ~$100 (US) is an example of an good inexpensive lens. I am not familiar with Canon lenses but I think the Canon 50 mm lens also fits this category. Well, 50mm lens is a very simple lens and its optimal design has been known for a number of years. It's zoom lenses and extreme FL (in both directions) where the design get tricky and where the higher price (usually) means a better quality. Dragan -- Dragan Cvetkovic, To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer !!! Sender/From address is bogus. Use reply-to one !!! |
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"Dragan Cvetkovic" wrote in message
... Well, 50mm lens is a very simple lens and its optimal design has been known for a number of years. It's zoom lenses and extreme FL (in both directions) where the design get tricky and where the higher price (usually) means a better quality. Dragan -- You are correct, of course, and I probable should have said simply that price should not be a criteria for lens performance -- good or bad (IMHO). Regards, Don F |
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Steven M. Scharf wrote:
"Sander Vesik" wrote in message ... In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Brian C. Baird wrote: In article , says... http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/Nik...sRebelXT.shtml Kind of ridiculous to compare a $99 lens with a nearly $300 one and base your judgment on the camera heavily on that. But both are the normal kit lens that the majority of first-timers will buy the camera with, no? So it is a comparison not so much of camera bodies but kits, but what percentage of buyers will understand the difference? After all, there is no use in buying the camera without lens for them. Canon is simply doing its usual 'low price at all costs' thing. The 18-55 kit lens is not a super low end lens like Canon used to promote with the film Rebel (28-80). If anyone is trying to de-feature based on price, it's Nikon. It's inexcusable to not have mirror lock-up, it's just a firmware issue, and they omitted it to try to move people to a more expensive model. Similarly, the lack of a vertical grip connection is another de-contenting move to try to force consumers to move up to the D100. They remind me of how some car manufacturers have certain options only available on the most expensive sub-model (Honda is famous for this). Kudos to Canon for not leaving important features off of its amateur product. Keep in mind that 300D and D70 are the bottom of the line models. Yet, because their price is much higher than film models, everybody seems to expect to have them loaded with features that are normally not available on a Rebel or F55/F60. |
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"Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message ink.net... If anyone is trying to de-feature based on price, it's Nikon. It's inexcusable to not have mirror lock-up, it's just a firmware issue, and they omitted it to try to move people to a more expensive model. Similarly, the lack of a vertical grip connection is another de-contenting move to try to force consumers to move up to the D100. They remind me of how some car manufacturers have certain options only available on the most expensive sub-model (Honda is famous for this). Kudos to Canon for not leaving important features off of its amateur product. Ummmm.....what about spot metering and fast flash sync ? For me, those are far more useful than mirror lock up. For me. |
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"adm" wrote in message
... "Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message Ummmm.....what about spot metering and fast flash sync ? The D70 is an anomaly in terms of the fast flash sync, even the D2X doesn't have the fast flash sync. It's a real advantage to the D70, but it wasn't like Canon decided to decontent it out of the EOS-350D in order to get people to go to a model that has it. The spot metering is a real issue. I don't know if the Canon processor can't do it, or what. It isn't in the 20D either. The lack of mirror lock-up is just decontenting. They do lock up the mirror for sensor cleaning, so the capability is there. |
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Steven M. Scharf wrote:
"Sander Vesik" wrote in message ... In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Bill wrote: It's too bad Canon didn't have an 18-70 or similar lense to compare with the Nikkor 18-70. Now that I think about it, I'd like to see Canon come out with a non-IS version of their 17-85 with the same optical quality, as it would be a good everyday lense for a good price. It would be an excellent starter lense for the Rebel series and 20D too. The problem is more that while Nikon bundles essentialy a L glass equvalent with D70, Canon bundles low quality lens - something you wouldn't really want to keep if you already hadlens and were intersted in quality. The Nikon one would be a keeper either ways. Neither of those statements are true. The Nikon lens has been crticized for build quality and vignetting, the Canon lens has been criticiszed for being too soft at the edges. They are both mid-level lenses. The Nikon has a metal There is no reasonable definition of mid-level such that both of the lens would fit in it. mount, and a wider range, which makes some people think that it is better than it really is. The difference is that the Canon lens, at $100 No. The difference is very much about optical performance. difference, is a no-brainer, but the Nikon lens at $300 difference is something to consider more carefully. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++ |
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"Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message ink.net... "adm" wrote in message ... "Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message Ummmm.....what about spot metering and fast flash sync ? The D70 is an anomaly in terms of the fast flash sync, even the D2X doesn't have the fast flash sync. It's a real advantage to the D70, but it wasn't like Canon decided to decontent it out of the EOS-350D in order to get people to go to a model that has it. It's a great feature to have. I use it quite a lot. The spot metering is a real issue. I don't know if the Canon processor can't do it, or what. It isn't in the 20D either. It's strange - I wonder why Canon don't do it.... The fast flash sync and the spot metering were two of the main things that made me buy Nikon over Canon last year. As I had no major investment in glass at the time, it just made sense. The other key things I made the choice on were the faster/for longer shooting capabilities and the general feel of the camera. The lack of mirror lock-up is just decontenting. They do lock up the mirror for sensor cleaning, so the capability is there. True. I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be a firmware hack for this though... |
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm Paul Bielec wrote:
Keep in mind that 300D and D70 are the bottom of the line models. Yet, because their price is much higher than film models, everybody seems to expect to have them loaded with features that are normally not available on a Rebel or F55/F60. D70 isn't underfeatured compared to F75 (its ridiculous to compare it to compare it to the real barrel-bottom F55). D70 is fairly comparable to F80, though missing out on some features and more advanced on others, which is not even close to low end. The problem is more that Nikon doesn't presently have a real low-end DSLR. -- Sander +++ Out of cheese error +++ |
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"John A. Stovall" wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:30:16 GMT, "ian lincoln" wrote: snipped considering the main selling point of the canon is its 8mp sensor putting an inferior lens on the front seems pointless. Why bother buying one with a kit lens? In putting together my Canon 20D system. I just bought the body and then added the lens(es) I wanted which would meet my needs. I don't understand why any one wouldn't just buy a body and not get the best lenses for their needs rather than what the manufacturer put on it. I would go as far as to say anyone buying a 20D and not knowing enough to pick a lenses doesn't need to be buying one but rather needs to be learning more about the basics of photography. That's true, but many potential buyers will have lots of cash, not much knowledge about lenses and a love for all things shiny. I'd imagine that's true of probably at least half the market for the low end dSLRs. |
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