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On 28/05/10 3:41 AM, F wrote:
snip The temptation to wait for the next new iteration, however, was never very strong. I was just concerned that if I bought today and a new one was announced tomorrow I might just have missed something that was 'better'. Note the *might*! We're really at the point now where there's not going to be any significant improvements unless there is some new sensor technology that emerges. Other than SLRs with larger sensors, even the megapixel wars seem to have mostly ended because the manufacturers don't want to further reduce the high ISO performance or increase noise. Also, what often happens is the replacement model is worse than the one it replaces, not better, because features that are deemed too costly are removed, i.e. optical viewfinder, articulated LCD, etc. The interchangeable lens non-DSLRs are the new market segment that Sony and the Micro 4:3 consortium is trying to promote but it's unclear that there's any demand for such a system that lacks many of the advantages of D-SLRs, and addresses only the question of physical size. |
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"SMS" wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 6:05 AM, Bowser wrote: Yes, I know the issue and I know Navas' tactics very well. He makes ridiculous claims and never provides any proof to back them. I'll pass on the banter this time. It's tiring and he's beginning to really bore me. I kill-filed him years ago. His lack of knowledge is not limited just to digital cameras, but extends to other fields as well. It's amusing at first, then as you stated, it gets boring. He's a member in good standing of my kill file as well... The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. Take Care, Dudley |
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Canon and Panasonic: updated models
In article XNTLn.5310$z%6.360@edtnps83, Dudley Hanks
wrote: The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. very true, and he considers anything other than what he purchased is junk. point out an advantage of a different product and it's "i don't need that feature." that's wonderful but other people might. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. of course. it depends whether someone wants convenience and portability versus quality and flexibility. there's a reason why pro photographers don't use compact digicams. |
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On 28/05/10 11:18 AM, Dudley Hanks wrote:
wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 6:05 AM, Bowser wrote: Yes, I know the issue and I know Navas' tactics very well. He makes ridiculous claims and never provides any proof to back them. I'll pass on the banter this time. It's tiring and he's beginning to really bore me. I kill-filed him years ago. His lack of knowledge is not limited just to digital cameras, but extends to other fields as well. It's amusing at first, then as you stated, it gets boring. He's a member in good standing of my kill file as well... The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. It's always amusing, though rather sad, to see Usenet (and other forum) posts where the sole purpose of the poster is to try to justify their purchase. It's as if it's a personal insult when someone points out even the slightest flaw in the product and why some other product might be better. For most people, there's not a single item they've ever purchased that they could not point out some issue with, and often they were well aware of the issue prior to the purchase. If someone asks about something they own, they're likely to be honest about it and point out both the pros and cons, and why they made their selection. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. For outdoor photos in good light with non-moving subjects, a superzoom can produce good results, and is certainly more convenient than a D-SLR. The reason why D-SLR sales are going up so much faster is the situations where they excel--low light, moving subjects, and better wide angle and telephoto lenses than the compromise lenses on the ZLRs. |
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:55:01 -0700 (PDT), DanP
wrote: On May 28, 2:40*am, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:22:59 -0700, SMS wrote in : On 27/05/10 4:22 PM, Bowser wrote: Uh, not really. I own an FZ35 and while I love it, it's clearly not in the same league as any DSLR with regards to image quality or AF speed. Not to say it's bad; it's quite good. But nowhere near a DSLR. You've got to understand the issue here. Apparently our favorite troll has an FZ-35/FZ-38 so by default that camera becomes the perfect camera and it can have no faults. Unlike you and I, who could objectively look at most any item we own and point out both its highs and lows to someone who inquires about it, there are people that immediately after purchasing an item feel compelled to justify the purchase to the entire world and make it clear that their purchasing decision was in fact the best possible one. It's deep-seated insecurity that causes this behavior. The reality is that it at low ISO settings the FZ-35/FZ-38 produces acceptable results, and it has many highly desirable features. But it is neither the best quality ZLR in terms of noise or image quality, nor is it anywhere close to quality of a D-SLR. The actual reality is that you have zero experience with any of these cameras, and have no idea what you're talking about. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams Erm, have you ever tried a DSLR? DanP I sold my favorite one (and gave a couple away) when I found out that high-quality P&S cameras were far more adaptable and versatile with just as good, if not better, image quality in some of them. You might want to actually compare cameras some day and put them through their paces instead of listening to all the insecure trolls online trying to justify why they wasted so much money trying to get their DSLRs to get decent snapshots. If you had as many wide-ranging creative requirements as I do for my photographic gear, and could actually think for yourself, you'd ditch your DSLRs too. |
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 18:18:31 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
wrote: "SMS" wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 6:05 AM, Bowser wrote: Yes, I know the issue and I know Navas' tactics very well. He makes ridiculous claims and never provides any proof to back them. I'll pass on the banter this time. It's tiring and he's beginning to really bore me. I kill-filed him years ago. His lack of knowledge is not limited just to digital cameras, but extends to other fields as well. It's amusing at first, then as you stated, it gets boring. He's a member in good standing of my kill file as well... The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. And you would know this because .... You actually see the images you take? News Flash: Blind Photographer hired by DPReview to do all their latest camera and lens reviews. Word has it that he's even better than their present camera reviewers. (Actually, there wouldn't be much difference.) LOL! |
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 11:31:52 -0700, nospam wrote:
In article XNTLn.5310$z%6.360@edtnps83, Dudley Hanks wrote: The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. very true, and he considers anything other than what he purchased is junk. point out an advantage of a different product and it's "i don't need that feature." that's wonderful but other people might. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. of course. it depends whether someone wants convenience and portability versus quality and flexibility. there's a reason why pro photographers don't use compact digicams. More words coming from a role-playing pretend-photographer troll. MANY Pros use P&S cameras. I being one of them. You forget, nospam, that we've PROVED that you have never used any camera in your lifetime. You only know about the imaginary ones you hold inside that little head of yours. |
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700, SMS wrote:
On 28/05/10 11:18 AM, Dudley Hanks wrote: wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 6:05 AM, Bowser wrote: Yes, I know the issue and I know Navas' tactics very well. He makes ridiculous claims and never provides any proof to back them. I'll pass on the banter this time. It's tiring and he's beginning to really bore me. I kill-filed him years ago. His lack of knowledge is not limited just to digital cameras, but extends to other fields as well. It's amusing at first, then as you stated, it gets boring. He's a member in good standing of my kill file as well... The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. It's always amusing, though rather sad, to see Usenet (and other forum) posts where the sole purpose of the poster is to try to justify their purchase. It's as if it's a personal insult when someone points out even the slightest flaw in the product and why some other product might be better. For most people, there's not a single item they've ever purchased that they could not point out some issue with, and often they were well aware of the issue prior to the purchase. If someone asks about something they own, they're likely to be honest about it and point out both the pros and cons, and why they made their selection. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. For outdoor photos in good light with non-moving subjects, a superzoom can produce good results, and is certainly more convenient than a D-SLR. The reason why D-SLR sales are going up so much faster is the situations where they excel--low light, moving subjects, and better wide angle and telephoto lenses than the compromise lenses on the ZLRs. That's all complete and total nonsense coming from a troll that has never used any of these cameras. EVER. |
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Canon and Panasonic: updated models
"SMS" wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 11:18 AM, Dudley Hanks wrote: wrote in message ... On 28/05/10 6:05 AM, Bowser wrote: Yes, I know the issue and I know Navas' tactics very well. He makes ridiculous claims and never provides any proof to back them. I'll pass on the banter this time. It's tiring and he's beginning to really bore me. I kill-filed him years ago. His lack of knowledge is not limited just to digital cameras, but extends to other fields as well. It's amusing at first, then as you stated, it gets boring. He's a member in good standing of my kill file as well... The sad thing about John is that, as has been previously pointed out, his comments seem more intended to justify his purchase than to explore the art / science of picture taking. It's always amusing, though rather sad, to see Usenet (and other forum) posts where the sole purpose of the poster is to try to justify their purchase. It's as if it's a personal insult when someone points out even the slightest flaw in the product and why some other product might be better. For most people, there's not a single item they've ever purchased that they could not point out some issue with, and often they were well aware of the issue prior to the purchase. If someone asks about something they own, they're likely to be honest about it and point out both the pros and cons, and why they made their selection. As a recent purchaser of a superzoom, I like it, and I believe it can produce better pics than my Rebel XSi in a limited number of situations, but the overall nod has to go to the DSLR because of the larger sensor and lens interchangeability. For outdoor photos in good light with non-moving subjects, a superzoom can produce good results, and is certainly more convenient than a D-SLR. The reason why D-SLR sales are going up so much faster is the situations where they excel--low light, moving subjects, and better wide angle and telephoto lenses than the compromise lenses on the ZLRs. In my case, my SX120 has a f/2.8 IS lens and an ISO 3200 setting which help it outperform my XSi in certain low-light situations, since I don't have a large-apertured, long focal-length lens for the XSi. It goes without saying that, if I were to pick up a f/2.8 70 - 200mm EOS lens, the situation would quickly reverse itself, as the quicker DSLR performance, lower noise sensorand superior optics of the lens could not be surpassed in a $250 P&S package. Also, given I don't have a macro lens for the XSi, it's pretty easy for the SX120 to beat the XSi in that catagory. As an aside, I've had good feedback, initially, about the SX120's HDR-like wider latitude than the XSi. It seems to do a good job of pulling out shadow detail and keeping highlights from blowing in most situations. But, my XSi is a few years old, and newer DSLR's in that price range are quite likely to have better dynamic range than my cam. On the flip side, distortion and purple-fringing in SX120 pics is worse than I'd expected, even after reading several reviews containing warnings about these problems. It's a good thing my aim isn't spot on at longer focal lengths, so I'm unlikely to shoot many pics in the longer zoom range. Take Care, Dudley |
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On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:29:44 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
wrote: On the flip side, distortion and purple-fringing in SX120 pics is worse than I'd expected, even after reading several reviews containing warnings about these problems. I highly doubt that anyone in your family would know what you were talking about (judging by the poor quality of photos that they let you post to the net) let alone them knowing how to compare those things between different cameras. You truly are blind. In more ways than one. As are any that would believe your equipment reviews. |
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