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Old October 20th 18, 02:58 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:26:54 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Macs don;t have obscure C drives, or D drives they ahve names and
can
be
given any name just loke you'd name a child.

I have C and D, also known as System and User. That naming system
predates both Mac and Dos.

that's not a naming system.

I named them. That's been my naming system for most of the last 30
years.

no. you chose a drive letter based on convention and physical port.
that's *not* a name, nor can you have two of the same letter.

Wrong again. Windows named the drives C and D. I nmaed them System and
Userdisc.

not 30 years ago, you didn't, ...


Not then I didn't, not those names.


you said predates dos, which sets the time frame.


There was a period of time when my machines only had a single drive
(e.g. Wyse AT) and there was no need to identify separate drives.

... but despite that, it's nowhere near as
flexible or as powerful as disk naming on a mac.


Even if you are correct, that's not the point at issue.


it is correct and it absolutely is the point.

macs were designed to be friendly and easy to use, without the
restrictions imposed by previous systems.

floppy disks, later hard drives, could have whatever name the user
wanted, even with the *same* name, and could also be changed at any
time without breaking anything, including when files were open. the
reason is that classic mac os did not rely on path names. the os didn't
care what disks (or folders) were named.

for example, a mac would ask for a floppy by name if it wasn't the one
in the drive. for servers, it would auto-mount them by name, requesting
login credentials if needed.

deviating from that convention causes all sorts of problems, especially
windows, which assumes c: is the boot drive.

Which is why I didn't change it.

so you didn't name it.


I never claimed I assigned the drive letters. I *named* the discs (or
more strictly the partitions). See above.


not before windows let you do that, and if you move the drive to
another system, the name doesn't always move with it.


I don't know. I have never tried. But I do know that on the Cromemco
the name was written to the disc and travelled with it between
machines.

move the c: drive to another computer in an external enclosure. it's no
longer c:, as that other computer has its own c: drive. so much for the
name you supposedly gave it.

the mac was the first computer to let the user name disks anything they
wanted.

Not quite so. I was doing it with discs for my Cromemco back about ther
time the Apple][ was emerging. I seem to recall that Unix required
volume names almost from the outset.

you recall wrong, and cromemco was not a mass market computer anyway.


BSD Unix (1970s) certainly did require volume naming and my
recollection is that it inherited it from the AT&T version.


assigned by sysadmins, not end users, and mounted in the file system
where end users don't even realize it's a different physical hard
drive.


Who cares who assigned it? Could the ordinary user assign or reassign
names on Mac discs?

that made sense for a multi-user system with sysadmins, but not a
personal computer, one with multiple removable hard drives, floppies,
usb sticks, etc.

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  #222  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos

In article , Eric Stevens
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The Mac did not "spawn" an industry that predated its existence.


publishing existed prior to the mac, but not desktop publishing, which
is what the mac spawned.


Quite wrong as I have already told you.


not wrong, and your link doesn't say what you think it does.

See
Message-ID: in which I
cite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_publishing from which I
quoted:

"Desktop publishing was first developed at Xerox PARC in the
1970s.[1][2] A contradictory claim states that desktop publishing
began in 1983 with a program developed by James Davise at a community
newspaper in Philadelphia.[3] The program Type Processor One ran on a
PC using a graphics card for a WYSIWYG display and was offered
commercially by Best info in 1984.[4] (Desktop typesetting with only
limited page makeup facilities had arrived in 1978*9 with the
introduction of TeX, and was extended in the early 1980s by LaTeX.)
The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of
the Apple LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction
of PageMaker software from Aldus, which rapidly became the DTP
industry standard software. Later on, PageMaker overtook Microsoft
Word in professional DTP in 1985. The term "desktop publishing" is
attributed to Aldus founder Paul Brainerd,[5] who sought a marketing
catch-phrase to describe the small size and relative affordability of
this suite of products, in contrast to the expensive commercial
phototypesetting equipment of the day."


note this part:
The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of
the Apple LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction
of PageMaker software from Aldus, which rapidly became the DTP
industry standard software.


guess what that means.

Later on, PageMaker overtook Microsoft
Word in professional DTP in 1985. The term "desktop publishing" is
attributed to Aldus founder Paul Brainerd,[5] who sought a marketing


also guess what that means.

hint: the mac spawned the desktop publishing industry.

here's mo
https://www.lifewire.com/when-was-desktop-publishing-invented-1073863
4. 1985 - Aldus develops PageMaker for the Mac, the first "desktop
publishing" application.
5. 1985 - Apple produces the LaserWriter, the first desktop laser
printer to contain PostScript.

http://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Software/Pagemaker.html
PageMaker not only made desktop publishing possible, it spawned
entire cottage industries for clip art, fonts, service bureau output
and scanning, and specialty products for laser printing such as foil
overlays.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...olumn-desktop-
publishing/23126873/
The LaserWriter was the first desktop printer to incorporate Adobe's
PostScript, a page description language that contained scalable
typefaces and supported smoothly drawn graphics. The same file
created on a Macintosh computer and proofed on a LaserWriter could
be output to a Linotronic 300 phototypesetter at 2,540 dpi, which was
commercial quality.
....
As the LaserWriter was launched, the term "desktop publishing"
entered the vernacular. One way to track usage is to search for a
phrase in Google Books Ngram Viewer, which graphs the number of
mentions in books by year. Starting in the mid-1980s occurrences of
"desktop publishing" tracked steeply upward, peaking in 1992, then
settling into a gentle downward slope into the new millennium.
....
Tony Bove, an early expert about desktop publishing and a book
author, says "the LaserWriter put me in business as a magazine and
newsletter publisher for a niche market and spawned hundreds of
thousands of niche-market publications and 'zines. The ability to
create page layouts made possible graphical novels and comics for
international readers. The page layout programs laid the foundation
for the webpages we take for granted today."

http://www.digibarn.com/stories/mac20/
On January 24, 1984 the personal computing movement was changed
forever with the Superbowl launch of Apple's Macintosh computer.
While the graphical user interface, mouse, and bitmapped
display+printing had been around for more than a decade, the Mac
represented the first combining of these key innovations into a
beautifully crafted package that an ordinary consumer could pick up
and use in daily life. The Mac went on to spawn several revolutions
including the "Desktop Publishing" phenomenon of the 80s...
  #223  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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But it was _you_ nospam which disqualified Fontasy on the PC because
the output to the printer might not be exactly the same as what was on
the screen.


yes, because depending on the printer, it might not be the same.

no such issue on the mac.


Of course there was. With the Mac the only printer on which output on
the printer somewhat matched the appearance on the screen was the
Laserwriter and even then the match wasn't exact.


absolutely false.

With Fontasy, depending on the printer, it might be more or less the
same or the size might be different.


more or less != wysiwyg.

There was no significant difference between the situation with either
system.


oh yes there very definitely were significant differences. shockingly
so.
  #224  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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It doesn't sound as though the MacIntosh and Laserwriter had quite got
to an exact WYSIWYG.

actually, it does.

they tried hard to get it to crash and could not, with its output
rivaling pro level systems.

That was version 2.


so what?


What about version 1.?


what about it?

what about ms word 1.0 on dos, not the 3.0 that was referenced, which
didn't have anything approaching wysiwyg. or all of the other dos apps,
for that matter.

and don't try to pretend apps on dos or windows didn't crash, or the os
itself.
  #225  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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But if you type in
what was the first WYSIWYG word processor

https://www.zdnet.com/article/in-the...ord-processor/

WordStar was for many of us the first word processor we could use on a
general purpose PC.
It was also the first popular What You See is What You Get (WYSIWYG) word
processor. So long as you didn't want, oh say, fonts. Fonts were pretty much
beyond us in these days of daisy-wheel and dot-matrix printers.


That's strange. I got https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG#History

"Bravo, a document preparation program for the Alto produced at
Xerox PARC by Butler Lampson, Charles Simonyi and colleagues in
1974, is generally considered the first program to incorporate
WYSIWYG technology,[6] displaying text with formatting (e.g. with
justification, fonts, and proportional spacing of characters)."


which almost nobody used outside of xerox, and it was also a complete
system, not a word processing app on consumer hardware.

the xerox star, which came later, also had very limited use (although
more than the alto) and was *very* expensive in the early 1980s.

the original mac was roughly 1/10th its price making it affordable for
many, it was noticeably faster and *much* easier to use than the star,
later macs even more so.

interestingly enough, ms word 1.0 on the mac was very similar to the
word processing app on the star. when microsoft wasn't copying apple,
they were copying xerox, next and others, and got away with it.
  #226  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS for "What You See Is What You Get" is
whether one does get in print a reasonable representation of what one
sees on screen. Whether one app or another provided the same level of
accuracy is irrelevant, but the reality is that it was never an issue
with professional-level apps.


in other words, quality or accuracy doesn't matter to you.

fortunately, others have much higher standards, some of whom advanced
the entire industry.


You idiot!


ad hominem.

A professional working in the field, producing large numbers and
quantities of printed documents for money, will be much more concerned
with quality and accuracy


except that he just said quality and accuracy does not matter.

than will somebody trying to emulate the
same quality of output on low price hardware.


nothing is being emulated, but if low price hardware is your concern,
then that would rule out ms word and dos & windows computers.
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Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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sending someone a usb stick full of photos has nothing to do with
backups.

Of course it has. You are very thick headed!

So tell me what has it got to do with backups ?

Where will they do backups?

Why do you think sending a USB stick of photos is a backup ?

Do you really need explaining, or lessons on reading skills?


do explain why a copy of a few photos that eric sent to someone is
actually a backup of his computer.


In this case 'few' = 4GB


the number does not matter. it's not a backup.
  #228  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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BSD Unix (1970s) certainly did require volume naming and my
recollection is that it inherited it from the AT&T version.


assigned by sysadmins, not end users, and mounted in the file system
where end users don't even realize it's a different physical hard
drive.


Who cares who assigned it?


not only does it matter who assigned the name (and your term 'assign'
is very telling), but also that separate drives in unix are not visible
to users. also, the sysadmins did not have the flexibility to choose
any name they wanted.

Could the ordinary user assign or reassign
names on Mac discs?


absolutely, and at any time. the mac removed a lot of the restrictions
imposed by earlier systems.

the names did not need to be unique either. floppy disks defaulted to
'untitled' and it was not unusual to have multiple floppy disk icons on
the desktop, all called 'untitled'. that can still happen today, except
it's now external hard drives, usb sticks or network volumes.
  #229  
Old October 20th 18, 03:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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I have been through things again and the only conclusion I can reach
is that you really were serious when you suggested I have sent 4GB of
image files via email or facebook. Were you really serious? Is that
what you genuinely recommend?


email is an option. there were others. every situation is different.

in your particular scenario, photo sharing would likely be the best
choice, or perhaps mail drop. another is upload to a photo sharing site
and send links. however, you refuse to use compliant urls so that
option might not work correctly, and not because of anything she did.
  #230  
Old October 20th 18, 05:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 22:44:13 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The Mac did not "spawn" an industry that predated its existence.

publishing existed prior to the mac, but not desktop publishing, which
is what the mac spawned.


Quite wrong as I have already told you.


not wrong, and your link doesn't say what you think it does.

See
Message-ID: in which I
cite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_publishing from which I
quoted:

"Desktop publishing was first developed at Xerox PARC in the
1970s.[1][2] A contradictory claim states that desktop publishing
began in 1983 with a program developed by James Davise at a community
newspaper in Philadelphia.[3] The program Type Processor One ran on a
PC using a graphics card for a WYSIWYG display and was offered
commercially by Best info in 1984.[4] (Desktop typesetting with only
limited page makeup facilities had arrived in 1978Â*9 with the
introduction of TeX, and was extended in the early 1980s by LaTeX.)
The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of
the Apple LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction
of PageMaker software from Aldus, which rapidly became the DTP
industry standard software. Later on, PageMaker overtook Microsoft
Word in professional DTP in 1985. The term "desktop publishing" is
attributed to Aldus founder Paul Brainerd,[5] who sought a marketing
catch-phrase to describe the small size and relative affordability of
this suite of products, in contrast to the expensive commercial
phototypesetting equipment of the day."


note this part:
The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of
the Apple LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction
of PageMaker software from Aldus, which rapidly became the DTP
industry standard software.


guess what that means.

Later on, PageMaker overtook Microsoft
Word in professional DTP in 1985. The term "desktop publishing" is
attributed to Aldus founder Paul Brainerd,[5] who sought a marketing


also guess what that means.


It means that desktop publishing was already in existence when the
laserwriter arrived. i.e. the Mac cannot have spawned that which was
already in existence.

hint: the mac spawned the desktop publishing industry.

here's mo
https://www.lifewire.com/when-was-desktop-publishing-invented-1073863
4. 1985 - Aldus develops PageMaker for the Mac, the first "desktop
publishing" application.
5. 1985 - Apple produces the LaserWriter, the first desktop laser
printer to contain PostScript.

http://history-computer.com/ModernComputer/Software/Pagemaker.html
PageMaker not only made desktop publishing possible, it spawned
entire cottage industries for clip art, fonts, service bureau output
and scanning, and specialty products for laser printing such as foil
overlays.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...olumn-desktop-
publishing/23126873/
The LaserWriter was the first desktop printer to incorporate Adobe's
PostScript, a page description language that contained scalable
typefaces and supported smoothly drawn graphics. The same file
created on a Macintosh computer and proofed on a LaserWriter could
be output to a Linotronic 300 phototypesetter at 2,540 dpi, which was
commercial quality.
...
As the LaserWriter was launched, the term "desktop publishing"
entered the vernacular. One way to track usage is to search for a
phrase in Google Books Ngram Viewer, which graphs the number of
mentions in books by year. Starting in the mid-1980s occurrences of
"desktop publishing" tracked steeply upward, peaking in 1992, then
settling into a gentle downward slope into the new millennium.
...
Tony Bove, an early expert about desktop publishing and a book
author, says "the LaserWriter put me in business as a magazine and
newsletter publisher for a niche market and spawned hundreds of
thousands of niche-market publications and 'zines. The ability to
create page layouts made possible graphical novels and comics for
international readers. The page layout programs laid the foundation
for the webpages we take for granted today."

http://www.digibarn.com/stories/mac20/
On January 24, 1984 the personal computing movement was changed
forever with the Superbowl launch of Apple's Macintosh computer.
While the graphical user interface, mouse, and bitmapped
display+printing had been around for more than a decade, the Mac
represented the first combining of these key innovations into a
beautifully crafted package that an ordinary consumer could pick up
and use in daily life. The Mac went on to spawn several revolutions
including the "Desktop Publishing" phenomenon of the 80s...


Reply if you like. I am ignoring you on this subject from now on.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
 




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