The current Photo mess on iOS and OSX

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pretty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough



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Sandman[.net]

On 2014-11-26 13:36:24 +0000, Sandman said:

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pretty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it will
have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful (for me)
way.

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 11/26/14 PDT, 7:28 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-26 13:36:24 +0000, Sandman said:

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pretty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it will
have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful (for me) way.

Very nice work there, Jonas.

I try to simplify things, and hate duplicates of any file. So I don't
edit on iPad or iPhone except for a lark. I may even turn off all photo
synching, as I prefer to do my editing and deleting on my Mac, and set
my iPhoto to propagate to my iDevices via manual synch.

But all that could become moot, as I am thinking of simply importing my
new iPhone photos to LR, editing there and then sending small copies to
iPhoto for synching to devices.

On 2014-11-27 01:26:47 +0000, John McWilliams said:

On 11/26/14 PDT, 7:28 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-26 13:36:24 +0000, Sandman said:

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pretty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it will
have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful (for me) way.

Very nice work there, Jonas.

I try to simplify things, and hate duplicates of any file. So I don't
edit on iPad or iPhone except for a lark. I may even turn off all photo
synching, as I prefer to do my editing and deleting on my Mac, and set
my iPhoto to propagate to my iDevices via manual synch.

But all that could become moot, as I am thinking of simply importing my
new iPhone photos to LR, editing there and then sending small copies to
iPhoto for synching to devices.

Since you have an iPhone & an iPad, if you subscribe to the Photography
Program at $9.99/month where you get LR5 + PS CC (2014) and 20 GB of CC
storage, you can load Lightroom Mobile onto your iDevices. With that in
place you can add directly to LR Mobile from your Camera Roll. you can
edit and adjust those images in LR Mobile and they are synced to your
desktop LR5.

The other neat thing is you can use collections from LR5 as a
portfolio on your iDevices, and/or make non-destructive edits which are
synced back to the collection in LR5.

No Apple iCloud Photo Streaming required.

Here is what LR Mobile looks like on my iPhone:
https://db.tt/F2XSJWpe
https://db.tt/7djAQM7h
https://db.tt/aowntoDl

…and on my iPad:
https://db.tt/Z7h10yGy
https://db.tt/40BWyHp6
https://db.tt/feniRTCd

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 11/26/14 PDT, 6:27 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-27 01:26:47 +0000, John McWilliams said:

On 11/26/14 PDT, 7:28 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-26 13:36:24 +0000, Sandman said:

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pretty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it will
have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful (for
me) way.

Very nice work there, Jonas.

I try to simplify things, and hate duplicates of any file. So I don't
edit on iPad or iPhone except for a lark. I may even turn off all
photo synching, as I prefer to do my editing and deleting on my Mac,
and set my iPhoto to propagate to my iDevices via manual synch.

But all that could become moot, as I am thinking of simply importing
my new iPhone photos to LR, editing there and then sending small
copies to iPhoto for synching to devices.

Since you have an iPhone & an iPad, if you subscribe to the Photography
Program at $9.99/month where you get LR5 + PS CC (2014) and 20 GB of CC
storage, you can load Lightroom Mobile onto your iDevices. With that in
place you can add directly to LR Mobile from your Camera Roll. you can
edit and adjust those images in LR Mobile and they are synced to your
desktop LR5.

The other neat thing is you can use collections from LR5 as a portfolio
on your iDevices, and/or make non-destructive edits which are synced
back to the collection in LR5.

No Apple iCloud Photo Streaming required.

Here is what LR Mobile looks like on my iPhone:
https://db.tt/F2XSJWpe
https://db.tt/7djAQM7h
https://db.tt/aowntoDl

…and on my iPad:
https://db.tt/Z7h10yGy
https://db.tt/40BWyHp6
https://db.tt/feniRTCd

Many thanks, Duck. Sounds like— pardon the expression— duck soup!

Yes, I have the subscription, but haven't been active with it yet other
than to keep them updated.

On 2014-11-27 02:31:03 +0000, John McWilliams said:

On 11/26/14 PDT, 6:27 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-27 01:26:47 +0000, John McWilliams said:


On 11/26/14 PDT, 7:28 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-11-26 13:36:24 +0000, Sandman said:

Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_..._Och_Osx?lang=
en


Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is pret
ty
messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution is
presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it wil
l
have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful (for
me) way.

Very nice work there, Jonas.

I try to simplify things, and hate duplicates of any file. So I don't
edit on iPad or iPhone except for a lark. I may even turn off all
photo synching, as I prefer to do my editing and deleting on my Mac,
and set my iPhoto to propagate to my iDevices via manual synch.

But all that could become moot, as I am thinking of simply importing
my new iPhone photos to LR, editing there and then sending small
copies to iPhoto for synching to devices.

Since you have an iPhone & an iPad, if you subscribe to the Photography

Program at $9.99/month where you get LR5 + PS CC (2014) and 20 GB of CC

storage, you can load Lightroom Mobile onto your iDevices. With that in

place you can add directly to LR Mobile from your Camera Roll. you can
edit and adjust those images in LR Mobile and they are synced to your
desktop LR5.

The other neat thing is you can use collections from LR5 as a portfolio

on your iDevices, and/or make non-destructive edits which are synced
back to the collection in LR5.

No Apple iCloud Photo Streaming required.

Here is what LR Mobile looks like on my iPhone:
https://db.tt/F2XSJWpe
https://db.tt/7djAQM7h
https://db.tt/aowntoDl

…and on my iPad:
https://db.tt/Z7h10yGy
https://db.tt/40BWyHp6
https://db.tt/feniRTCd

Many thanks, Duck. Sounds like— pardon the expression— du ck soup!

Yes, I have the subscription, but haven't been active with it yet other
than to keep them updated.

Take a look at the Julieanne Kost tutorials and you should get a good
ideal of the potential of the LR5 + LR Mobile set up.
http://www.jkost.com/lightroom.html

This one will give you a good idea of how the file management works
between iDevice & desktop.
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/lightroom-mobile-managing-collections-and-auto-import-from-camera-roll/

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Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2014112607281248905-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

Sandman:
Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en

Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is
pretty messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution
is presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

Well, if you don't use it, then you don't have this problem, and thus no
need for a solution, so it's not actually a solution at all

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it
will have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful
(for me) way.

I'm pretty certain it won't be. I am in between worlds still where I
offload camera pictures using Aperture, which updates the Photo Stream, and
then use Lightroom to import the same photos that Aperture have put in a
directory. So, two libraries, one file location.

When "Photos" is released, I don't know if it will be able to replace
Aperture, and if it can't, I'm "stuck" with Lightroom.

The problem with Lightroom in this context is the lack of an automatic
photostream functionality. LR Mobile is still a manual process as far as
I'm aware.

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Sandman[.net]

On 2014-11-27 11:12:00 +0000, Sandman said:

In article 2014112607281248905-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

Sandman:
Blog:
http://jonaseklundh.se/pages/Rorigt_Med_Foton_Pa_Ios_Och_Osx?lang=en

Right now the photo situation on the iPhone/iPad and the mac is
pretty messy, and there's a lack of functionality until a solution
is presented, which will reportedly come in spring 2015.

I put together a small movie to explain the current mess.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyBkDF7pJc

As you can see, it's pretty messy, I hope it's fixed soon enough

My solution is simple. I don't use Apple's Photo Stream.

Well, if you don't use it, then you don't have this problem, and thus no
need for a solution, so it's not actually a solution at all

I will look at the Photos app when it is released in 2015, but it
will have to be extraordinary for me to adopt it in any meaningful
(for me) way.

I'm pretty certain it won't be. I am in between worlds still where I
offload camera pictures using Aperture, which updates the Photo Stream, and
then use Lightroom to import the same photos that Aperture have put in a
directory. So, two libraries, one file location.

When "Photos" is released, I don't know if it will be able to replace
Aperture, and if it can't, I'm "stuck" with Lightroom.

The problem with Lightroom in this context is the lack of an automatic
photostream functionality. LR Mobile is still a manual process as far as
I'm aware.

Actually it can be an automatic process just as effective as a "Photo Stream":
1: In LR Mobile create a new collection. In this new collection you can
add photos from the Camera Roll, other collections, &/or...

2: Select "Enable Auto Import". All photos shot with that iDevice will
be auto imported to that new collection, and if either a WiFi, or Cell
data connection is established that collection with the imported shot5s
will be synced to LR5 on your desktop &/or laptop.
https://db.tt/znix46eO
https://db.tt/X208MdyN
https://db.tt/E9Wwsobh

Then from either LR Mobile or LR5 you have all sorts of options for
sharing individual images, or entire collections without resorting to
Dropbox or Apple's Photo Stream. Like so.
http://adobe.ly/11Ynlb5

I also suggest this as recommended viewing.
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/lightroom-mobile-managing-collections-and-auto-import-from-camera-roll/

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Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2014112707364832675-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

The problem with Lightroom in this context is the lack of an
automatic photostream functionality. LR Mobile is still a manual
process as far as I'm aware.

Actually it can be an automatic process just as effective as a
"Photo Stream": 1: In LR Mobile create a new collection. In this new
collection you can add photos from the Camera Roll, other
collections, &/or...

2: Select "Enable Auto Import". All photos shot with that iDevice
will be auto imported to that new collection, and if either a WiFi,
or Cell data connection is established that collection with the
imported shot5s will be synced to LR5 on your desktop &/or laptop.

I am of course aware of this, but that only works one way. I can't have
Lightroom on the desktop auto-upload the latest shots to the same album so
that I can see them on my phone. And furthermore, the shots I do upload
manually from desktop Lightroom end up in an album in the Lightroom
application only, not automatically making them available to other
applications on my iPhone.

So, the process of

iPhone camera - Camera Roll - Lightroom Mobile - Cloud - Lightroom

can be automatic, but the process of

DSLR camera - Lightroom - Cloud - iPhone Camera Roll - Apps

can not be, as far as I'm aware.

As you probably know, this process is fully automatic in both directions
using iCloud Photostream. And with the upcoming iCloud Photos, it will be
even more seemless.

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Sandman[.net]

On 2014-11-28 12:36:12 +0000, Sandman said:

In article 2014112707364832675-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:

The problem with Lightroom in this context is the lack of an
automatic photostream functionality. LR Mobile is still a manual
process as far as I'm aware.

Actually it can be an automatic process just as effective as a
"Photo Stream": 1: In LR Mobile create a new collection. In this new
collection you can add photos from the Camera Roll, other
collections, &/or...

2: Select "Enable Auto Import". All photos shot with that iDevice
will be auto imported to that new collection, and if either a WiFi,
or Cell data connection is established that collection with the
imported shot5s will be synced to LR5 on your desktop &/or laptop.

I am of course aware of this,

Of course you are.

but that only works one way. I can't have Lightroom on the desktop
auto-upload the latest shots to the same album so that I can see them
on my phone.

That depends on what you call "auto-upload" & how that is implemented in LR.
If I insert a CF or SD card into a reader, or if I connect a camera via
USB cable the LR import dialog is opened and I am given various
options. I can also set my choice of these options as defaults.

Then there is the difference between LR Folders, and Collections/Smart
Collections (which are probably as close to Aperture albums as LR will
get).

Next comes the question, "Why would I want every single shot from my
DSLR uploaded to my iDevice?"

There is no way I need 1200 shots from a motorsport event, or an
airshow on my iDevices. I don't believe any sane photographer would
want that.
....but I might well want 30-100 from such a shoot available to me on
those iDevices, and those I can move to a synced collection.

As far as images captured with my iPhone goes it is nice to have them
available in LR, but it is not a vital life changing necessity for me.
Just a neat gimmicky feature. I just don't have to use the Apple
method, the Photo Transfer App, or Dropbox to move images between
iDevice and desktop as was my past practice.

And furthermore, the shots I do upload manually from desktop Lightroom
end up in an album in the Lightroom application only, not automatically
making them available to other
applications on my iPhone.

Strange, if I am viewing an LR Mobile collection on my iPhone, or iPad,
I can select a whole bunch of things to do with that collection, or an
image or group of images from that collection.
I can share using the iOS share dialog which on my iOS devices includes
options for AirDrop, iCloud Photo Sharing, iMessage, Mail, Evernote,
Flickr, 500px, Flipboard, and for those who have them installed
Facebook & Twitter.

Then if I select "Open In" I have 28 Apps on my iPhone I can make the
images available to. It seems that images in LR Mobile collections are
directly available to all installed apps which could possibly use them.

So where is the problem there?

So, the process of

iPhone camera - Camera Roll - Lightroom Mobile - Cloud - Lightroom

can be automatic, but the process of

DSLR camera - Lightroom - Cloud - iPhone Camera Roll - Apps

can not be, as far as I'm aware.

As automatic as I need it to be.

As you probably know, this process is fully automatic in both directions
using iCloud Photostream. And with the upcoming iCloud Photos, it will be
even more seemless.

Then I have no idea why you are even bothering with LR and LR Mobile
since they don't work for you now, and are just an annoyance for you,
while Aperture is still functioning on OSX 10.10 and the promised
iCloud Photos and the iCloud Photostream should deliver all you want.

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Regards,

Savageduck