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Is there any camera on earth meeting 4 simple requirements (AA,CF,7x)
MY QUESTION:
Can there not be a camera on earth that meets these 4 simple goals? - AA batteries - Good photo quality - 7x to 10x optical zoom - CF media I ask for your help in that I've only found ONE camera which comes close to meeting these 4 simple (and, I'd bet, pretty univerally held) requirements: - AA batteries (never again will I buy electronics with battery packs!) - Excellent picture quality (I trust in Consumer Reports measurements) - 7x - 10x optical zoom (equivalent to about 200 mm or more) - Compact Flash media (I already have many CF cards & PCMCIA readers) Searching endlessly, I can only find one camera coming close: - Canon Powershot S1 IS (3.2 MP) But I'd like a 5 megapixel or larger (for enlargements if needed). Also this digital camera doesn't have a macro capability. (Ad copy says it can focus at 4 inches so that seems like a built-in macro non-macro to me ... what do you think)? Is there any AA,CF,7x, camera with good photo quality on earth? Susan Henderson |
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John Bean wrote:
Can there not be a camera on earth that meets these 4 simple goals? - AA batteries, quality photos, 7x zoom, CF media Minolta A2 with optional grip meets your requirements. Without the grip it can only use supplied Li-Ion battery but with grip it can use one or two Li-Ions or six AA. Whoa! I'm confused. Do you mean the 8 MegaPixel $800 Konica Minolta DiMAGE A2? Consumer Reports, in its future July 2005 online ratings gave it a "NO" on the use of AA batteries (line 78 of the 79-line 7/2005 digital camera ratings report). But, wait. That's not all. When I froogle, I can see there is an optional BP-400 VERTICLE GRIP for the "Minolta A2" for about $100 additional. Am I wrong? Is Consumer Reports wrong? Or are there multiple Minolta A2 cameras (like there are multiple Nikon CoolPix cameras)? What further confuses me is that the $550 5MP Nikon CoolPix 5700 (line 38 of the CR 7/2005 on-line ratings chart) is listed on Consumer Reports as accepting AA batteries - but I have one and I know that not to be the case without the optional Nikon MB-E5700 Battery Pack for about $150 additional. So, is this my new AA battery summary correct (if not, what is wrong)? - $350, 3MP, 10x zoom, Canon PowerShot S1IS I takes AA batteries native - $550, 5MP, 8x zoom, Nikon CoolPix 5700 is $150 more for AA batteries - $800, 8MP, 7x zoom, DiMAGE Minolta A2 is maybe $100 more for AA? Please help me as I am utterly amazed there are only three cameras which even come close to these pretty universal simple 4 features. - AA batteries - Excellent photo quality - 7x zoom - Compact Flash You will help others at the same time. Susan Henderson |
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Its terminally stupid to be limiting your choices with
that silly requirement that it must use AA batterys. "Susan (Graphic Artist)" wrote in message oups.com... MY QUESTION: Can there not be a camera on earth that meets these 4 simple goals? - AA batteries - Good photo quality - 7x to 10x optical zoom - CF media I ask for your help in that I've only found ONE camera which comes close to meeting these 4 simple (and, I'd bet, pretty univerally held) requirements: - AA batteries (never again will I buy electronics with battery packs!) More fool you. - Excellent picture quality (I trust in Consumer Reports measurements) - 7x - 10x optical zoom (equivalent to about 200 mm or more) - Compact Flash media (I already have many CF cards & PCMCIA readers) Searching endlessly, I can only find one camera coming close: - Canon Powershot S1 IS (3.2 MP) But I'd like a 5 megapixel or larger (for enlargements if needed). Also this digital camera doesn't have a macro capability. (Ad copy says it can focus at 4 inches so that seems like a built-in macro non-macro to me ... what do you think)? Is there any AA,CF,7x, camera with good photo quality on earth? Susan Henderson |
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Rod Speed wrote:
Its terminally stupid to be limiting your choices with that silly requirement that it must use AA batterys. I think I understand your point about AA batteries. One the one hand, the battery has nothing to do with the pictures. So, you are correct. I am an idiot for making AA a requirement. On the other hand, when I vacation, I carry with me: - a Nikon CoolPix 5700 (which needs at least 2 proprietary batteries) - a JVC video camera (which needs at least 2 proprietary batteries) - a Garmin GPS unit (which takes AA batteries) - a Maglight flashlight (which takes AA batteries) etc. That means I have to carry additional batteries (one or two are never enough as you well know) and of course I need to carry separate additional battery chargers and I can't substitute one for the other and (much worse) I can't stop at the local A&P to pick up an emergency battery if I need to. Add the fact that battery packs (by their electrical nature of positive-minus butt-to-nose abutment) ALWAYS go bad (one cell reverse polarizes) and, therefore, need to be constantly replaced at an exhorbitant cost (NiMH cost about two bucks ... try to get a battery pack for a camera for two bucks). Add to that the waste to the earth's resources (personally I think the government should mandate single-cell batteries in all electronics in a save-the-landfill effort like they mandate the 5 cents per soda waste-return program). And the horrid cost! Recently I paid over $75 dollars retail for the JVC replacement battery (the only one in the store was the Everready Energizer ERC620 camcorder battery). Now for paying $75 for a stinkin' battery, you _can_ call me a terminally stupid idiot! I could have purchased a fifty pound car battery for that much. End result: I am never again buying any electronics that does not take single-cell rechargable batteries! I'm sure I'm not the only one so please come to my defence if you agree, so we can get back to the photographic equipment question at hand. Are these really the only three digital cameras on earth that take single-cell batteries and have decent picture quality, zoom, and compact flash cards? - $350, 3MP, 10x zoom, Canon PowerShot S1IS I takes AA batteries native - $550, 5MP, 8x zoom, Nikon CoolPix 5700 is $150 more for AA batteries - $800, 8MP, 7x zoom, DiMAGE Minolta A2 is maybe $100 more for AA? Susan Henderson |
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David J Taylor wrote:
Am I wrong? Is Consumer Reports wrong? Do you believe /everything/ you read in CR? The poster was suggesting an add-on to the camera which converted it from Li-ion battery to AAs. A number of cameras offer this. I agree with you. Consumers Union is sometimes wrong. That's why I asked this newsgroup. Because I believe this newsgroup more than I believe Consumer Reports. In fact, I already pointed out where CR was wrong in the Nikon CoolPix 5700 taking AA batteries (as published in the latest digital camera ratings dated 7/2005). All I was confirming was whether I understood the camera correctly (Minolta DiMAGE A2 ???) and whether or not it truly can take AA batteries because there was an obvious descrepancy (and I am not at all familiar with that digital camera like I am with the Nikon equivalent). Is it correct that these three and no other digital camera on earth can: - take AA batteries - snap excellent photos - at at least 7x zoom - saving onto compact flash media Susan Henderson |
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Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: Its terminally stupid to be limiting your choices with that silly requirement that it must use AA batterys. I think I understand your point about AA batteries. One the one hand, the battery has nothing to do with the pictures. So, you are correct. I am an idiot for making AA a requirement. On the other hand, when I vacation, I carry with me: - a Nikon CoolPix 5700 (which needs at least 2 proprietary batteries) - a JVC video camera (which needs at least 2 proprietary batteries) - a Garmin GPS unit (which takes AA batteries) - a Maglight flashlight (which takes AA batteries) etc. That means I have to carry additional batteries (one or two are never enough as you well know) and of course I need to carry separate additional battery chargers and I can't substitute one for the other and (much worse) I can't stop at the local A&P to pick up an emergency battery if I need to. Add the fact that battery packs (by their electrical nature of positive-minus butt-to-nose abutment) ALWAYS go bad (one cell reverse polarizes) and, therefore, need to be constantly replaced at an exhorbitant cost (NiMH cost about two bucks ... try to get a battery pack for a camera for two bucks). Add to that the waste to the earth's resources (personally I think the government should mandate single-cell batteries in all electronics in a save-the-landfill effort like they mandate the 5 cents per soda waste-return program). And the horrid cost! Recently I paid over $75 dollars retail for the JVC replacement battery (the only one in the store was the Everready Energizer ERC620 camcorder battery). Now for paying $75 for a stinkin' battery, you _can_ call me a terminally stupid idiot! I could have purchased a fifty pound car battery for that much. End result: I am never again buying any electronics that does not take single-cell rechargable batteries! I'm sure I'm not the only one so please come to my defence if you agree, so we can get back to the photographic equipment question at hand. Are these really the only three digital cameras on earth that take single-cell batteries and have decent picture quality, zoom, and compact flash cards? - $350, 3MP, 10x zoom, Canon PowerShot S1IS I takes AA batteries native - $550, 5MP, 8x zoom, Nikon CoolPix 5700 is $150 more for AA batteries - $800, 8MP, 7x zoom, DiMAGE Minolta A2 is maybe $100 more for AA? Susan Henderson It would seem that way. Camera manufacturers are much more concerned with profits than user convenience. They see the lithium ion batteries as a profit opportunity, and a design convenience. CF cards aren't all that big, so I see little advantage to the other types of cards unless the camera is REALLY small, but the smaller components are another design convenience, and smaller usually means cheaper. It seems you will be forced to compromise, as I did, and buy something with AA batteries and SD cards... Lots of options when you make the CF/SD card compromise. -- Ron Hunter |
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Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
.... So, is this my new AA battery summary correct (if not, what is wrong)? - $350, 3MP, 10x zoom, Canon PowerShot S1IS I takes AA batteries native - $550, 5MP, 8x zoom, Nikon CoolPix 5700 is $150 more for AA batteries - $800, 8MP, 7x zoom, DiMAGE Minolta A2 is maybe $100 more for AA? Please help me as I am utterly amazed there are only three cameras which even come close to these pretty universal simple 4 features. - AA batteries - Excellent photo quality - 7x zoom - Compact Flash I think the part you're not clear on is that these features are by no means universal. If they were then every camera would have them. The most limiting factors on your list are the AA batteries and Compact Flash. I would focus more on the other features as it's easy enough to work around memory and batteries. For instance, CF memory isn't any less expensive, or more expensive, than any other digital camera memory. You might find it better to buy the kind of camera you really desire and switch to using whatever storage it takes. You can always sell the CF memory on ebay or the like. Memory card readers usually read all the popular types of cards anyhow so compatibility shouldn't be an issue. You can also get external battery packs for digital cameras. I'm sure one or more of these have the option to use AA batteries. The camera would need an external power jack but with the way these things eat batteries, I would be surprised if they didn't. Even so, I wouldn't count on disposable AA's for anything except emergency use. Anthony |
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Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
MY QUESTION: Can there not be a camera on earth that meets these 4 simple goals? - AA batteries - Good photo quality - 7x to 10x optical zoom - CF media The Canon 20D w/ battery grip and a good zoom will fit all of your requirements and more. It will be expensive. Frankly I think you are too stuck in the past. CF media is fine, but I would not and did not choose a camera based on a specific media. AA batteries are fine, but don't knock other sizes. Batteries are just not that expensive and with a small charger and a few batteries your are set. As expensive as they are, I have to consider digital cameras of today as disposable, just as I consider my computer that way. Times change too fast. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Rod Speed wrote:
Its terminally stupid to be limiting your choices with that silly requirement that it must use AA batterys. "Susan (Graphic Artist)" wrote in message oups.com... MY QUESTION: Can there not be a camera on earth that meets these 4 simple goals? - AA batteries - Good photo quality - 7x to 10x optical zoom - CF media I ask for your help in that I've only found ONE camera which comes close to meeting these 4 simple (and, I'd bet, pretty univerally held) requirements: - AA batteries (never again will I buy electronics with battery packs!) More fool you. Actually extremely sensible. There is a lot to be said for standard form factor equipment. If the camera uses a standard form factor battery such as AA you can use NiMh rechargeables and if you should get in a situation where you deplete the rechargeables and charging is not available you can easily pop in a set of akaline batterys which even if you weren't carrying them as a spare can be purchased most anywhere. - Excellent picture quality (I trust in Consumer Reports measurements) - 7x - 10x optical zoom (equivalent to about 200 mm or more) - Compact Flash media (I already have many CF cards & PCMCIA readers) Searching endlessly, I can only find one camera coming close: - Canon Powershot S1 IS (3.2 MP) But I'd like a 5 megapixel or larger (for enlargements if needed). Also this digital camera doesn't have a macro capability. (Ad copy says it can focus at 4 inches so that seems like a built-in macro non-macro to me ... what do you think)? Is there any AA,CF,7x, camera with good photo quality on earth? Susan Henderson |
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On 10 Jun 2005 01:31:55 -0700, Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
So, is this my new AA battery summary correct (if not, what is wrong)? - $350, 3MP, 10x zoom, Canon PowerShot S1IS I takes AA batteries native - $550, 5MP, 8x zoom, Nikon CoolPix 5700 is $150 more for AA batteries - $800, 8MP, 7x zoom, DiMAGE Minolta A2 is maybe $100 more for AA? Please help me as I am utterly amazed there are only three cameras which even come close to these pretty universal simple 4 features. - AA batteries - Excellent photo quality - 7x zoom - Compact Flash Does the new Canon S2 IS not meet your requirements? If it doesn't, I imagine that it would be due to replacing CF with SD cards. It replaces the 3mp sensor in the S1 IS with a 5mp sensor. How about the Fuji S7000? It's zoom is a bit lower than you specified, only 6x, but it uses AA batteries, CF cards, and has the Super CCD 6mp sensor that's capable of being interpolated to a bloated 12mp, but you don't have to use that feature if you don't want to. |
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