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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote:
Although I am not from the states, I love USA as if it were my homeland.Many good things come from USA, including movies, processors, operating systems, music, democracy.If there wasn't microsoft (yes!microsoft) I wouldn't be... Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name mistaking Democracy as something "from USA". -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. |
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I mean modern democracy, not ancient.Greek in its modern history had nothing
but democracy;dictators, kings and everything.We really have democracy from 1973 to nowadays, after the military dictatorship had fallen.USA, in contrary, has democracy in the past ~300 years. -- Tzortzakakis Dimitri?s major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr ? "Brian C. Baird" ?????? ??? ?????? .. . In article , says... Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote: Although I am not from the states, I love USA as if it were my homeland.Many good things come from USA, including movies, processors, operating systems, music, democracy.If there wasn't microsoft (yes!microsoft) I wouldn't be... Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name mistaking Democracy as something "from USA". Well, given the political climate of Greece since the 5th century BC, I can see how it would be easy to forget. -- http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird/ |
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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote: says... Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name mistaking Democracy as something "from USA". I mean modern democracy, not ancient. You're still wrong - England had a democratically elected parliament before the USA even existed, and question over its supremacy over the monarch was settled quite convincingly by its ordering the removal of Charles I's head in the mid 17th century. OK, so only a small proportion of the population could vote, but that was also the case in the US for a long time. If you're looking for the first example of a democratic system with universal suffrage, then New Zealand is probably as close as you're going to get. |
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"Chris Brown" wrote in message ... In article , Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote: says... Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name mistaking Democracy as something "from USA". I mean modern democracy, not ancient. You're still wrong - England had a democratically elected parliament before the USA even existed, and question over its supremacy over the monarch was settled quite convincingly by its ordering the removal of Charles I's head in the mid 17th century. OK, so only a small proportion of the population could vote, but that was also the case in the US for a long time. If you're looking for the first example of a democratic system with universal suffrage, then New Zealand is probably as close as you're going to get. And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most money in their welfare checks...... |
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"Chris Brown" wrote in message
... In article , Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote: says... Quite amusing to see someone with a Greek name mistaking Democracy as something "from USA". I mean modern democracy, not ancient. You're still wrong - England had a democratically elected parliament before the USA even existed, and question over its supremacy over the monarch was settled quite convincingly by its ordering the removal of Charles I's head in the mid 17th century. OK, so only a small proportion of the population could vote, but that was also the case in the US for a long time. If you're looking for the first example of a democratic system with universal suffrage, then New Zealand is probably as close as you're going to get. Wyoming recognized the right of women to vote in the 1880s, IIRC. Of course, that's only a component of a democratic entity, not an entity to itself. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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"William Graham" wrote in message ... And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most money in their welfare checks...... The only difference between them and the politicians they vote for is a suit. I think we should have voter registration by zip code. Palm Springs= 10 votes. Brooklyn=1 vote. No house, no vote. Alien? Contribute your first born to get his ass blown off in the war of the day. Deport them all I say. Then the gov't can stop ripping off their 80% of welfare, giving the aliens their ill-begotten 20% and making them pay tax on that. And get them off the farms. Farmers get subsidised anyway. Cure America's obesity problem. In about a day. America for Americans. Or at least those that managed to survive for a generation or two, and become Americans. Bob Hickey |
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"Bob Hickey" wrote in message ... "William Graham" wrote in message ... And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most money in their welfare checks...... The only difference between them and the politicians they vote for is a suit. Hey! - I'll buy that.....I think we should do away with voting altogether. I think we should be run by a congress picked by random selection from all the eligible citizens. replaced every 6 years or so by a new group....Never to be allowed to serve again. - Not serving long enough to learn how to steal......But the, "eligible citizens" should have lived here for at least ten years, and be able to speak the language....... |
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William Graham wrote: "Bob Hickey" wrote in message ... "William Graham" wrote in message ... And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most money in their welfare checks...... The only difference between them and the politicians they vote for is a suit. Hey! - I'll buy that.....I think we should do away with voting altogether. We basically have. We still go through the motions, of course. But when you vote using a machine with no paper trail, you have no guarantee that your vote was recorded, or recorded as you entered it. You have to trust the assurances of major Republican contributors that their machines are honest. And if you believe that, I've got some great deals on bridges for you. Lisa |
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Lisa Horton wrote :
William Graham wrote: "Bob Hickey" wrote in message ... "William Graham" wrote in message ... And there are still people in the US today that believe only a small proportion of the population should vote. My father believed that only property owners should vote. I am not sure that he was wrong. There is something about only allowing those who have a real stake in a country's future to be allowed to control it, that appeals to some of us. Our country is today controlled by millions of rif-raf who only came here for a hand out, and don't really give a Damn whether we survive or die.......They don't bother to learn the language, and will vote for whoever gives them the most money in their welfare checks...... The only difference between them and the politicians they vote for is a suit. Hey! - I'll buy that.....I think we should do away with voting altogether. We basically have. We still go through the motions, of course. But when you vote using a machine with no paper trail, you have no guarantee that your vote was recorded, or recorded as you entered it. You have to trust the assurances of major Republican contributors that their machines are honest. And if you believe that, I've got some great deals on bridges for you. "A man is none the less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. Neither are a people any the less slaves because they are permitted periodically to choose new masters. What makes them slaves is the fact that they are now, and are always hereafter to be, in the hands of men whose power over them is, and always is to be, absolute and irresponsible." --Lysander Spooner, 'No Treason'. -- A Voice Of Freedom in the United States of America |
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