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Old February 2nd 04, 04:05 AM
The Wogster
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Does anyone know if anyone still makes C41 processing kits, there used
to be all kinds of them, where did they all go?

Anyone know of a Canadian dealer for any of the ones still being made?

W

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Old February 2nd 04, 04:19 AM
Nick Zentena
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The Wogster wrote:

Does anyone know if anyone still makes C41 processing kits, there used
to be all kinds of them, where did they all go?

Anyone know of a Canadian dealer for any of the ones still being made?



Henry's I think stocks the Agfa kits. Fotochem out of Montreal sells kits
he makes up. I've used his Ra-4 stuff and it works well and the price is
right. He might also have the Agfa kits in stock but his are cheaper.

The small hobby kits IMHO don't make much sense. The cost isn't much
if any cheaper then getting just processing done from a lab. OTOH the
fotochem kits look very reasonable. The bigger the kit the more reasonable.

Nick
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Old February 2nd 04, 02:42 PM
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Nick Zentena wrote:
The Wogster wrote:

Does anyone know if anyone still makes C41 processing kits, there used
to be all kinds of them, where did they all go?

Anyone know of a Canadian dealer for any of the ones still being made?




Henry's I think stocks the Agfa kits. Fotochem out of Montreal sells kits
he makes up. I've used his Ra-4 stuff and it works well and the price is
right. He might also have the Agfa kits in stock but his are cheaper.


According to Henry's website nada....


The small hobby kits IMHO don't make much sense. The cost isn't much
if any cheaper then getting just processing done from a lab. OTOH the
fotochem kits look very reasonable. The bigger the kit the more reasonable.


Sometimes it is a waste to send films to a lab, getting the negatives
and prints, when the prints are not needed. I used to do the processing
myself, and although I don't miss colour balancing prints, I do miss
popping a roll of film into the developer and half an hour later pulling
out processed negatives.

I'm also thinking of getting back to the basics and trying some of the
new B&W films. Right now I am saving my nickles for a film scanner......

W

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Old February 2nd 04, 03:06 PM
Nick Zentena
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The Wogster wrote:


According to Henry's website nada....


That website is worth less then you pay for it. The local Henry's stocks
colour paper and chemicals. The website doesn't mention any Ra-4 products.
I'm fairly sure the Agfa E-6 kit is also on the shelves. Best to ignore the
website and call the main store.




Sometimes it is a waste to send films to a lab, getting the negatives
and prints, when the prints are not needed. I used to do the processing
myself, and although I don't miss colour balancing prints, I do miss
popping a roll of film into the developer and half an hour later pulling
out processed negatives.



Doesn't anybody near you do only processing? The fotochem kits are good
for Ra-4. I've used his other chemicals for B&W and they are great. Soon
I'll be ordering his C-41 kit.

http://www.colba.net/~fotochem/


Nick
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Old February 2nd 04, 04:33 PM
The Wogster
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Nick Zentena wrote:
The Wogster wrote:


According to Henry's website nada....



That website is worth less then you pay for it. The local Henry's stocks
colour paper and chemicals. The website doesn't mention any Ra-4 products.
I'm fairly sure the Agfa E-6 kit is also on the shelves. Best to ignore the
website and call the main store.


Last time I called Hanks I got dumb, then called the outlet and dumber,
finally found what I wanted by going to the store and looking on the
shelves. I live in Toronto, but hate going downtown, especially in
winter.....





Sometimes it is a waste to send films to a lab, getting the negatives
and prints, when the prints are not needed. I used to do the processing
myself, and although I don't miss colour balancing prints, I do miss
popping a roll of film into the developer and half an hour later pulling
out processed negatives.




Doesn't anybody near you do only processing? The fotochem kits are good
for Ra-4. I've used his other chemicals for B&W and they are great. Soon
I'll be ordering his C-41 kit.


I think I know a place that should, but have not had the time to call
hem yet, just called them and they do it, I will take them the next roll
and see how they do, they came highly recommended however.

I still might try the C-41 kit though, and see how it goes..... I liked
doing the ones I did years ago.....

W

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Old February 2nd 04, 05:20 PM
Nick Zentena
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Default C41 Kits????

The Wogster wrote:


Last time I called Hanks I got dumb, then called the outlet and dumber,
finally found what I wanted by going to the store and looking on the
shelves. I live in Toronto, but hate going downtown, especially in
winter.....


I know the feeling. If you're lucky you get transfered to the pro desk and
that's better. Actually the few times I called the downtown store for the
darkroom department they weren't bad.



I think I know a place that should, but have not had the time to call
hem yet, just called them and they do it, I will take them the next roll
and see how they do, they came highly recommended however.


Walmart will do just processing-) If they aren't busy they even do it
while you walk around the store.


I still might try the C-41 kit though, and see how it goes..... I liked
doing the ones I did years ago.....



If you're doing enough film the fotochem kits are cheap. The 5litre kit
works out to be less then $1 Canadian per roll of film. John from fotochem
ships quickly and you won't have to pay PST.

Nick
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Old February 2nd 04, 05:56 PM
The Wogster
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Nick Zentena wrote:
The Wogster wrote:


Last time I called Hanks I got dumb, then called the outlet and dumber,
finally found what I wanted by going to the store and looking on the
shelves. I live in Toronto, but hate going downtown, especially in
winter.....



I know the feeling. If you're lucky you get transfered to the pro desk and
that's better. Actually the few times I called the downtown store for the
darkroom department they weren't bad.


It really depends, I have to admit, sometimes you get someone on the
ball, other times, well......


I think I know a place that should, but have not had the time to call
hem yet, just called them and they do it, I will take them the next roll
and see how they do, they came highly recommended however.



Walmart will do just processing-) If they aren't busy they even do it
while you walk around the store.


That scazes me, the Walmart clerk probably knows nothing about cameras
or how to properly handle film.......


I still might try the C-41 kit though, and see how it goes..... I liked
doing the ones I did years ago.....




If you're doing enough film the fotochem kits are cheap. The 5litre kit
works out to be less then $1 Canadian per roll of film. John from fotochem
ships quickly and you won't have to pay PST.


Is that chemistries to make 5 litres, or 5 litres of chemistries? I
know that C-41 chemistries decompose fairly quickly, powders last longer
then liquids..... I may send him an email....

W





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Old February 2nd 04, 06:52 PM
Nick Zentena
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The Wogster wrote:


It really depends, I have to admit, sometimes you get someone on the
ball, other times, well......


The worst ever went something like this

Me: "What film do you have in the fridge"

Them: "Fridge?"

Me: " Ya the film fridge"

Them: " We don't have a fridge"

Me: "Behind you"

Them: "What?"

Me: "Turn around"

Them : " Oh"

Me: " Those little boxes are film"






That scazes me, the Walmart clerk probably knows nothing about cameras
or how to properly handle film.......


If the chemicals are okay and the machines clean it should be okay. If you
only get processing they don't even cut the film up. I gave them a test roll
awhile back. It was fine.



Is that chemistries to make 5 litres, or 5 litres of chemistries? I
know that C-41 chemistries decompose fairly quickly, powders last longer
then liquids..... I may send him an email....



Makes up 5litres. He sells smaller kits but you'll end up paying more per
roll. It can be cheaper to get the bigger kit and have some go stale then to
get a couple of smaller ones. With the Ra-4 kit I got I only make up the
amount of chemicals I need. The concentrate will keep a lot longer then the
mixed solutions. The C-41 kits are good for 10 rolls of 35mm per litre of
working solution. That sounds right. He includes directions for making up
smaller amounts of chemicals. All you need are some small graduates or some
kids medicine syringes. The little ones without points that they sell for a
couple of bucks. They make measuring small amounts of liquids relatively easy.

Nick
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Old February 2nd 04, 07:17 PM
The Wogster
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Nick Zentena wrote:
The Wogster wrote:


It really depends, I have to admit, sometimes you get someone on the
ball, other times, well......



The worst ever went something like this

Me: "What film do you have in the fridge"

Them: "Fridge?"

Me: " Ya the film fridge"

Them: " We don't have a fridge"

Me: "Behind you"

Them: "What?"

Me: "Turn around"

Them : " Oh"

Me: " Those little boxes are film"


You got the third guy, dumberer, then there is the fourth guy, who
actually knows what goes on, think he is there about twice a week for 5
minutes......


That scazes me, the Walmart clerk probably knows nothing about cameras
or how to properly handle film.......



If the chemicals are okay and the machines clean it should be okay. If you
only get processing they don't even cut the film up. I gave them a test roll
awhile back. It was fine.


That might be okay, soup it, sleeve it, and hand it over, any idea what
they charged for this?


Is that chemistries to make 5 litres, or 5 litres of chemistries? I
know that C-41 chemistries decompose fairly quickly, powders last longer
then liquids..... I may send him an email....




Makes up 5litres. He sells smaller kits but you'll end up paying more per
roll. It can be cheaper to get the bigger kit and have some go stale then to
get a couple of smaller ones. With the Ra-4 kit I got I only make up the
amount of chemicals I need. The concentrate will keep a lot longer then the
mixed solutions. The C-41 kits are good for 10 rolls of 35mm per litre of
working solution. That sounds right. He includes directions for making up
smaller amounts of chemicals. All you need are some small graduates or some
kids medicine syringes. The little ones without points that they sell for a
couple of bucks. They make measuring small amounts of liquids relatively easy.


Got'em one thing bugged me though, his US$-CA$ conversion is a little
high for a US price. Wonder about payment though, I don't believe in
credit cards (don't have one), wonder if he will take a money order?
Might be worth a run to Montreal, I need some bagels anyway.....

W

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Old February 2nd 04, 08:08 PM
Nick Zentena
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The Wogster wrote:


That might be okay, soup it, sleeve it, and hand it over, any idea what
they charged for this?


I think it was around $3 for a roll of 24. Might have been a little less.
They don't even sleeve it. You get it back rolled up in a plastic tub.



Got'em one thing bugged me though, his US$-CA$ conversion is a little
high for a US price. Wonder about payment though, I don't believe in
credit cards (don't have one), wonder if he will take a money order?
Might be worth a run to Montreal, I need some bagels anyway.....



Does he still list $1.50 for the conversion? When the exchange rate was
more like $1.60 he would give Canadians a break and only charge $1.50. Best
to ask him but I think you get the current exchange rate. With the money
order I guess you'd have to wait for it to get to him.

Nick
 




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