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  #21  
Old October 3rd 13, 05:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_4_]
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On 10/3/2013 11:02 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
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That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.


it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.


how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?


All I did was read you comments.
Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.


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  #22  
Old October 3rd 13, 06:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.


it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.


how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?


All I did was read you comments.


but what you didn't do is understand what they mean.

Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.


it is fully compliant with the usb spec.
  #23  
Old October 3rd 13, 07:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_4_]
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On 10/3/2013 1:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.

how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?


All I did was read you comments.


but what you didn't do is understand what they mean.

Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.


it is fully compliant with the usb spec.


Even though Apple says otherwise.

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  #24  
Old October 3rd 13, 08:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB
port.

how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?

All I did was read you comments.


but what you didn't do is understand what they mean.

Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.


it is fully compliant with the usb spec.


Even though Apple says otherwise.


apple does not say otherwise.

not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand
much else.

when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would?
  #25  
Old October 3rd 13, 09:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_4_]
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On 10/3/2013 3:35 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB
port.

how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?

All I did was read you comments.

but what you didn't do is understand what they mean.

Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.

it is fully compliant with the usb spec.


Even though Apple says otherwise.


apple does not say otherwise.

not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand
much else.

when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would?

Shifting the topic again?

I was talking to those who might otherwise be misinformed by your bull****.
You are one sick puppy.


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  #26  
Old October 3rd 13, 09:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:02:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.

I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.

no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.


Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple
reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands?


has it occurred to you that the reason the ipad doesn't do it is
*because* it's not a common use case?


At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely
uncommon.

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.


Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you
to say he's wrong?
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Eric Stevens
  #27  
Old October 3rd 13, 09:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:14:55 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/2/2013 10:44 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 20:32:52 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/2/2013 8:04 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:11:32 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 10/1/2013 10:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article 201310011916001393-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-10-01 19:02:48 -0700, nospam said:

In article 2013100118384311967-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

Indeed, I considred using a iPad to
transfer files from my CF cards toa portable hard drive. The Apple
people told me it couldn't be done.

it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

If you use the Apple "Camera Kit" it does.

not in the way you think.

What way do I think?
...or should I ask, what way do you think I think?

read what i said:
it's not intended to transfer files from a camera to a hard drive.

you then said with the cck, it can do that.

that tells me you are thinking it can operate as a typical hard drive
plugged into a laptop, both read and write.

it cannot.

the cck is designed for the most common use case, copying photos from a
camera to the ipad. that's why it's called a camera connection kit and
not a hard drive interface kit.

I use the Apple "Camera Kit" to transfer image files (JPEG only as
there is little point to load RAW files onto the iPad) from SDHC cards
used in my G11 and my D300S. For The times I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D300s
without an SDHC in the second slot, or for images captured on my
Fujifilm E900 which uses the awful, and mostly incompatible xD card, I
use the USB part of the "Camera kit" to connect the camera (D300S or
E900 via USB cable.
My iPad has no problem recognizing the files on either camera.
One note, you cannot use normal card readers which require a USB power
source, the iPad does not do that.

Now, what in way was it you think I was thinking?

what you describe is the normal task of copying photos from a card or
camera to the ipad and is fully supported. i never said otherwise.

as for hard drives, any usb hard drive would do the same thing
(assuming it's self-powered, obviously) and only if the photos were in
the same folder hierarchy as a camera's memory card (dcim folder).

the ipad sees the drive as a memory card and as with a card, it's
read-only. that is not an issue for 99% of use cases. people want to
copy photos off the cards so that they can reuse them to take more
photos, not write images back to them.

it's *extremely* rare that someone would want to copy photos to a card,
especially from a device that has a much better method of displaying
them and the connectivity to upload them to pretty much anywhere.



All of which proves, that the iPad port, does not function as a USB
port. Which is the function i need.

Sorry Peter, USB ports are only a connection. What the hardware does
with it is up to the software on each side.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB for more than you ever wanted to
know.


I quite understand that. Are you saying that I can connect a card reader
and two HD's to to an iPad, and download from the card, to a hard drive,
and backup HD1 to HD 2. Then look at the images on HD1 and do a rough
edit and cull with the iPad.


I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.


That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.


But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any
of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the
port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the
hardware (in this case, Apple).

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.


I'm sure you don't expect nospam to be consistent. :-)
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Eric Stevens
  #28  
Old October 3rd 13, 10:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I don't think you can but that's largely because of the lack of
suitable software in the iPad. I expect it could be done but Apple
haven't seen fit.

no, it's because it's not a common use case for a mobile device, so
there's no point in bothering to support it.

Has it occurred to you that it's not a 'comon use case' for the simple
reason it can't be done with the iPad as it stands?


has it occurred to you that the reason the ipad doesn't do it is
*because* it's not a common use case?


At the moment it's an impossible use case. That makes it extremely
uncommon.


it's not impossible, as hd support can be done via jailbreaking.
however, even those who jailbreak don't even bother doing it.

who wants to have hard drives hanging off their mobile devices? it
makes the devices non-mobile. it's stupid.

it's not worth the bother to support. there are far more important
things to do than satisfy a couple of people who don't understand
mobile devices.

mobile devices are different than laptops. having hard drives hanging
off of a mobile device makes it non-mobile. it's a stupid idea on its
face. there's no point in implementing something that's stupid.


Not for you, obviously, but PeterN sees some point in it. Who are you
to say he's wrong?


this may come to you as a surprise, but apple did not design the ipad
just for peter.

they designed the ipad for common use cases. they did not design it for
every possible use case under the sun, something which is incredibly
stupid. that's a recipe for failure.

what's also stupid is trying to use a device for something it was not
intended and then ranting how it's a subpar device because of some
niche use case is not fulfilled. there are better solutions for what he
wants to do. nothing wrong with that. no device can do everything
perfectly.

like i said, if you want to move a piano you something designed to move
large heavy objects, namely a truck and a couple of helpers too.

what you *don't* do is try to figure out how to fit a piano into a car.
a car was never designed to move pianos. maybe it can be done in some
bizarre edge cases, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. a
car is the *wrong* solution.
  #29  
Old October 3rd 13, 10:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.


But USB functionality does not include software to support each or any
of the zillions of different devices which may be plugged into the
port. The provision of the software is up to the manufacturer of the
hardware (in this case, Apple).


that is correct.

not supporting a particular device does not mean it's not usb compliant.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC, his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB port.


I'm sure you don't expect nospam to be consistent. :-)


i have always been consistent.

peter is just too clueless to understand what i've been saying or what
apple has been saying. he makes up things i never said and then says
i'm bull****ting. crazy.
  #30  
Old October 3rd 13, 10:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

That was my point. If the port doesn't have full USB functionality, and
then it's not USB.

it is very definitely usb and it has full functionality.

just because a particular use case is not supported does not mean a usb
port is no longer a usb port. what a ridiculous thing to say.

What is interesting is that when nospam claims an Apple is not a PC,
his
logic is exactly the opposite of his argument that the iPad has a USB
port.

how in the world do you come up with that nonsense?

All I did was read you comments.

but what you didn't do is understand what they mean.

Is the port fully compliant with USB standards.
That call for a yes or no answer.

it is fully compliant with the usb spec.

Even though Apple says otherwise.


apple does not say otherwise.

not only do you not understand my comments, but you don't understand
much else.

when will you actually 'eod' like you said you would?

Shifting the topic again?


i have never shifted the topic at all.

you're the one who has no clue what is being discussed and won't admit
it. your ignorance is what's fueling this.

I was talking to those who might otherwise be misinformed by your bull****.


the only bull**** is coming from you.

so far, all you have done is link to a random post on an apple forum,
mistakenly believing it is an official apple statement and trying to
claim it is the gospel truth. *that* is bull****.

what i've said is the same as what apple has said all along.

i'm still waiting for you to fulfill your eod promise. further evidence
that you're nothing more than blowing smoke.

You are one sick puppy.


really? i'm not the one who fabricates what i say then uses that to
claim i'm bull****ting. that's psychotic.
 




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