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Old September 25th 11, 11:14 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-25 13:06:06 -0700, Pete A said:

On 2011-09-25 20:49:24 +0100, Paul Furman said:

Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:58:30 +1200, Eric
wrote:
: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:59:52 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
:
:On 2011-09-13 09:22:38 -0700, Alfred said:
:
: In article4cadndjNxPtZMPfTnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews. com, Bowser
: says...
:
: http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know...-photographers
:
: That is valid in the USA. How about other countries?
:
:Yup!
:
:The UK without a Constitution remains confused. All UK photographers
:seem to believe they have the right to take photographs anywhere in/on
:public property. However they seem least able to be consistent when it
:comes to enforcement by authorities, official and/or rent-a-cops.
:
:As for the rest of Europe I have not heard of, or read any recent
:harassment of photographers. I understand there are issues regarding
:use of Eiffel Tower images, but I doubt there is any restriction on the
:hobbyist photographer/tourist at that site.
:
: The objections to photographing the Eiffel tower are based on
: copyright.

How so?? Are you saying that someone has a copyright on all pictures taken of
the Eiffel Tower? I hope nothing like that is even possible in the U.S. But
what am I saying? I'm sure there are many building interiors and private parks
in the U.S. where it's true. :^|


I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern
architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.


Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.


As some of you know I am quite familiar with South Africa with quite a
few friends there and a lot of travel there, and they are going through
a boom in ad production. I have seen many TV ads for various US beers,
auto companies, and various other products shot in and around Cape
Town. The production costs are low than almost anywhere else. There is
a great exchange rate against the Rand for the Dollar, Euro, and Pound.
So why shoot in Miami when you can use Sea Point in Cape Town, or Camps
Bay a few miles around the coast with a beach front road lined with
palm trees, or a truly glamorous spot such as Clifton. A quick look at
some of the Google images of that beach might remind you of an ad made
at one end or the other standing in for a tropical isle in a beer ad.
Think of Coors Lite.
http://tinyurl.com/4x2ckq7

The scenes with boulder strewn beaches, country homes, modern
apartments, generic cityscapes, etc could at first glimpse be thought
to be anywhere. They could be in any North American or European city.
They could be on any Caribbean or tropical island beach, but there are
definite clues that anybody familiar with the area would recognizes as
being somewhere on the Cape Peninsula.
I have seen ads for VW, Lexus, BMW, Chrysler, Jeep and some others all
made there. One of the Lexus brochures for 2010/2011 had the entire
brochure filled with shots of the car on Cape Town beaches and roads.
Coors, Miller, and Bud Lite have ads shot on some of the same Cape Town
beaches.
Cialis has one of its ads of the two protagonists in bathtubs
overlooking the boulder studded scenery of another.

The most recent is the Carls Jr "Miss Turkey" Turkey Burger ad. Here
is their behind the scenes video. In this ad the tell is the shot of
the mountains in the background beyond the skyline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN3WawRy8g


--
Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 26th 11, 08:32 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-26 01:40:39 +0100, Ryan McGinnis said:

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Pete A wrote:

I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern
architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.


Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.


It's just as valid an issue in the UK as it is in the U.S. Which is,
to say, no, you don't need any kind of release to show modern
architecture or cities in a commercial -- not legally, anyhow. But
agencies know that even frivilous lawsuits are extremely expensive to
defend against, so as a matter of practice they require their
photographers / videographers to not feature any one unreleased
building too prominently. The UK agencies are just the same.


Thanks for the explanation, Ryan.

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Old September 26th 11, 08:39 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-25 23:14:44 +0100, Savageduck said:

On 2011-09-25 13:06:06 -0700, Pete A said:

On 2011-09-25 20:49:24 +0100, Paul Furman said:

I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern
architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.


Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.


As some of you know I am quite familiar with South Africa with quite a
few friends there and a lot of travel there, and they are going through
a boom in ad production. I have seen many TV ads for various US beers,
auto companies, and various other products shot in and around Cape
Town. The production costs are low than almost anywhere else. There is
a great exchange rate against the Rand for the Dollar, Euro, and Pound.
So why shoot in Miami when you can use Sea Point in Cape Town, or Camps
Bay a few miles around the coast with a beach front road lined with
palm trees, or a truly glamorous spot such as Clifton. A quick look at
some of the Google images of that beach might remind you of an ad made
at one end or the other standing in for a tropical isle in a beer ad.
Think of Coors Lite.
http://tinyurl.com/4x2ckq7

The scenes with boulder strewn beaches, country homes, modern
apartments, generic cityscapes, etc could at first glimpse be thought
to be anywhere. They could be in any North American or European city.
They could be on any Caribbean or tropical island beach, but there are
definite clues that anybody familiar with the area would recognizes as
being somewhere on the Cape Peninsula.
I have seen ads for VW, Lexus, BMW, Chrysler, Jeep and some others all
made there. One of the Lexus brochures for 2010/2011 had the entire
brochure filled with shots of the car on Cape Town beaches and roads.
Coors, Miller, and Bud Lite have ads shot on some of the same Cape Town
beaches.
Cialis has one of its ads of the two protagonists in bathtubs
overlooking the boulder studded scenery of another.

The most recent is the Carls Jr "Miss Turkey" Turkey Burger ad. Here
is their behind the scenes video. In this ad the tell is the shot of
the mountains in the background beyond the skyline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN3WawRy8g


Very tasty. Does it include stuffing or is that an extra?

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Old September 26th 11, 10:07 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-26 12:39:15 -0700, Pete A said:

On 2011-09-25 23:14:44 +0100, Savageduck said:

On 2011-09-25 13:06:06 -0700, Pete A said:

On 2011-09-25 20:49:24 +0100, Paul Furman said:

I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern
architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.


As some of you know I am quite familiar with South Africa with quite a
few friends there and a lot of travel there, and they are going through
a boom in ad production. I have seen many TV ads for various US beers,
auto companies, and various other products shot in and around Cape
Town. The production costs are low than almost anywhere else. There is
a great exchange rate against the Rand for the Dollar, Euro, and Pound.
So why shoot in Miami when you can use Sea Point in Cape Town, or Camps
Bay a few miles around the coast with a beach front road lined with
palm trees, or a truly glamorous spot such as Clifton. A quick look at
some of the Google images of that beach might remind you of an ad made
at one end or the other standing in for a tropical isle in a beer ad.
Think of Coors Lite.
http://tinyurl.com/4x2ckq7

The scenes with boulder strewn beaches, country homes, modern
apartments, generic cityscapes, etc could at first glimpse be thought
to be anywhere. They could be in any North American or European city.
They could be on any Caribbean or tropical island beach, but there are
definite clues that anybody familiar with the area would recognizes as
being somewhere on the Cape Peninsula.
I have seen ads for VW, Lexus, BMW, Chrysler, Jeep and some others all
made there. One of the Lexus brochures for 2010/2011 had the entire
brochure filled with shots of the car on Cape Town beaches and roads.
Coors, Miller, and Bud Lite have ads shot on some of the same Cape Town
beaches.
Cialis has one of its ads of the two protagonists in bathtubs
overlooking the boulder studded scenery of another.

The most recent is the Carls Jr "Miss Turkey" Turkey Burger ad. Here
is their behind the scenes video. In this ad the tell is the shot of
the mountains in the background beyond the skyline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN3WawRy8g


Very tasty. Does it include stuffing or is that an extra?


That depends on whether you are going to use your personal turkey
baster or not.

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Savageduck

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Old September 27th 11, 02:46 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:

Paul Furman wrote:

I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
fancy piece of modern architecture to work.


A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
to the UK.


On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
filmmakers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...set_in_Glasgow

It's a strange world that we live in.

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Old September 27th 11, 07:05 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-27 17:50:34 +0100, Bruce said:

Pete A wrote:
On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
Paul Furman wrote:
I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
to the UK.


On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
filmmakers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...set_in_Glasgow

It's a strange world that we live in.


Indeed it is. I recall going to the cinema to see "Educating Rita", a
story that was inextricably linked with my home town of Liverpool and
its University, which I attended, only to find that all the location
shots had been filmed in Dublin. :-(


I did't know that. I'm still trying to recover from her lying about her
name :-(

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Old September 27th 11, 08:23 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:50:34 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Pete A wrote:
On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
Paul Furman wrote:
I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
to the UK.


On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
filmmakers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...set_in_Glasgow

It's a strange world that we live in.



Indeed it is. I recall going to the cinema to see "Educating Rita", a
story that was inextricably linked with my home town of Liverpool and
its University, which I attended, only to find that all the location
shots had been filmed in Dublin. :-(


My wife and I happened to be in Dublin when the film was playing, and
saw it there. It was billed as a "local" film.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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Old September 30th 11, 11:11 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: Paul Furman wrote:
:
: I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
: copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
: visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
: and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
: fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
:
:
: A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
: South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
: make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
: to the UK.

The fact that they drive on the left there (assuming they still do) would make
it easier to maintain the illusion that a commercial was shot in the UK. The
producers of the "Miss Turkey" commercial, which I guess was intended for the
US or Canada, were careful not to show street scenes close up.

Bob
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Old September 30th 11, 11:13 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:46:20 +0100, Pete A
wrote:
: On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
:
: Paul Furman wrote:
:
: I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
: copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
: visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
: and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
: fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
:
: A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
: South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
: make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
: to the UK.
:
: On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
: for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
: filmmakers:
:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...set_in_Glasgow
:
: It's a strange world that we live in.

It's a strange audience that would believe that Glasgow looks like
Philadelphia.

Bob
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Old October 1st 11, 12:58 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 2011-09-30 15:11:01 -0700, Robert Coe said:

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce wrote:
: Paul Furman wrote:
:
: I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
: copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
: visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
: and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
: fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
:
:
: A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
: South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
: make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
: to the UK.

The fact that they drive on the left there (assuming they still do) would make
it easier to maintain the illusion that a commercial was shot in the UK. The
producers of the "Miss Turkey" commercial, which I guess was intended for the
US or Canada, were careful not to show street scenes close up.

Bob



Yup! They still drive on the left. That also makes for good Japanese ads.
....and the Lexus brochure showed isolated shots of parked cars and some
on obviously closed roads with the cars driven on the right.
Here are a few captures I managed to find;
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/L-GS-4.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/L-GS-1.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/L-GS-10B.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/L-GS-9.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/L-GS-6.jpg

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Savageduck

 




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