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Old May 15th 11, 10:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:02:26 +0200, Mxsmanic
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Eric Stevens writes:

And why so many of the remoras don't.


That is logically inevitable.

Microsoft now incorporates the services which most of the remorahs
used to provide.


Yes, that's usually the idea.


And in the real world the remorahs had to sue MS for patent
infringement.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 15th 11, 11:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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what would be the point of that? the attraction of a mac is mac os ...


Yup. And what would be the point of buying a PC without Windows? More than 99%
of the market wants Windows. Even when Microsoft was forced to allow
manufacturers to provide the option of another OS, people still wanted
Windows.


it's actually around 90% these days and dropping. apple's sales are
outpacing the market, big time. if you look at specific markets (i.e.,
photography, graphic arts), mac market share is much, much higher.
adobe sells about 50% mac, 50% windows.

... but you can certainly install whatever you want on it, including
windows (which many people do), linux and bsd natively and most anything
else via vmware (os/2, nextstep, beos, etc.).


Will Apple sell you a Mac without an OS?


will dell sell you a pc without an os?
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Old May 16th 11, 12:08 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:04:28 -0700, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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Will Apple sell you a Mac without an OS?


Probably not, but they control the whole chain. MS never has.


sure they have. they required vendors to include windows or they won't
get as good of a deal on pricing (or no deal). that's part of what got
them into trouble several years back.


That's what I'm complaining about. I should have been more careful
when I wrote that MS doesn't control the whole chain. In one sense it
certainly did. What I meant was that (unlike Apple) MS did not make
computers but used their market dominance to take a stranglehold on
computer manufacturers and lock out competition.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 16th 11, 12:19 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 16 May 2011 00:23:23 +0200, Mxsmanic
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nospam writes:

not anymore. apple's sales are outpacing the market as whole and have
been for many years.


I don't expect any change in Windows dominance. Applications drive platforms,
and there are more applications available for Windows than for any other
desktop platform.

except that apple's market share is growing and their revenue is higher
than other companies such as dell.


Most of their revenue is coming from non-desktop gadgets (iPhone, iPod, iPad,
etc.), although the desktops are receiving some benefit from this.

actually, the opposite.


No company prospers by marketing the opposite of what consumers want.


They can with suitable incentives. Think 'Mafia'.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 16th 11, 12:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 15 May 2011 17:03:18 -0700, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
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Will Apple sell you a Mac without an OS?

will dell sell you a pc without an os?


They will offer you a choice of operating systems. See for example
http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?... at=all&ref=ac


clicking to the customize section from that link (i picked a dell
t3500), they only offer 1 of several versions of windows. i don't see a
'none' button, or even a linux button.


They are not in the kit business. They only sell complete and
functioning computers.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 16th 11, 12:32 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 15 May 2011 23:41:12 +0200, Mxsmanic
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Eric Stevens writes:

But that original contract required that if you were a manufacturer
you install only the Microsoft OS (in those days a kludgy version of
MS-DOS) and you had to install it in every machine. You were not
allowed to install any other. Fortunately the courts removed the
restrictions and now manufacturers such as Dell will offer you the
choice of several operating systems. In the days I referred to they
would not have been able to.


It wasn't much of a restriction, given that that's what most customers wanted.

The legal battles were fueled by Microsoft's competitors, not by the customer
base.


They were fueled by the customer base, in this case the OEMs who were
Microsoft's customers.

I will accept your frequent comparisons to Apple the day MS starts
making their own machines.


So Apple's hugely restrictive practices don't matter as long as nobody else is
being equally restrictive? That's an odd position to have.


Apple are free to bring their own fully functioning computer to market
in whatever way they want. Those who dealt with Microsoft were not.

You don't seem to realise that I have been referring to events prior
to Windows (and Linux). Microsoft is much more friendly now but only
because of the intervention of the courts.


The evolution of the market changed things, not the courts. The courts move
much more slowly than the market, something Microsoft knew all along.


Nevertheless they moved.

Can you give me another example?


Not without violating some NDAs, but I've seen lots of sneaky stuff put into
software to make sure that it malfunctions if it's not used in the environment
that the marketroids want to sell. I've even seen this done in hardware.

I never said anything about 'only'.


If it's not just Microsoft, why dwell upon Microsoft as if it were?

Microsoft is not special, unfortunately. Everyone does sneaky things. Business
is war.


Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 16th 11, 12:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 15 May 2011 23:42:03 +0200, Mxsmanic
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Eric Stevens writes:

And in the real world the remorahs had to sue MS for patent
infringement.


Some companies make all their revenue with patent harassment. They're even
lower than the ones with sneaky stuff in their software.


You obviously have never invented anything.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 16th 11, 01:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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Will Apple sell you a Mac without an OS?


will dell sell you a pc without an os?


They will offer you a choice of operating systems. See for example
http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?... at=all&ref=ac


clicking to the customize section from that link (i picked a dell
t3500), they only offer 1 of several versions of windows. i don't see a
'none' button, or even a linux button.
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Old May 16th 11, 01:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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Will Apple sell you a Mac without an OS?


Probably not, but they control the whole chain. MS never has.


sure they have. they required vendors to include windows or they won't
get as good of a deal on pricing (or no deal). that's part of what got
them into trouble several years back.
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Old May 16th 11, 01:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mxsmanic
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The only reason Apple hasn't got into trouble is that it's such a small part
of the market. It turns out that many people don't want to be in Apple's
stranglehold, so they just buy PCs instead.


not anymore. apple's sales are outpacing the market as whole and have
been for many years.

Apple apparently would rather have
a tiny minority of followers of Steve Jobs' peculiar religion than a much
higher revenue.


except that apple's market share is growing and their revenue is higher
than other companies such as dell.

Microsoft was always more interested in giving the mass market
what it wanted.


actually, the opposite.
 




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