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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence



 
 
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  #31  
Old March 1st 18, 06:11 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Forget black helicopters, FBI flying surveillance Cessnas over US cities.


they can fly them all they want, but all they'll get is encrypted data,
which will take a few few billion years to brute force.


You wish.


no wishing needed. as usual, you have *zero* understanding about
encryption used on modern smartphones.
  #32  
Old March 1st 18, 06:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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nospam wrote:

Forget black helicopters, FBI flying surveillance Cessnas over US cities.

they can fly them all they want, but all they'll get is encrypted data,
which will take a few few billion years to brute force.


You wish.


no wishing needed. as usual, you have *zero* understanding about
encryption used on modern smartphones.


Tell that to Zimmermann or Rommel or Stalin or Hirohito, all of whom
believed essentially what you believe, which was fed to you by Brand X
marketing.

Your entire belief system is built upon a house of cards, fed to you by
that admittedly fantastically competent Brand X marketing organization.

When you crack things, you don't often go brute force, which is one reason
why, when I worked at Fort Mead, the walls not only had no windows, but
they had full-length heavy curtains on those walls with no windows (as just
one example that they attack the weakest link).

That you think the adversary goes frontal on the strongest link is what
brand X marketing has told you to think, where all I'm saying is the
logically verifiable fact that the weakest set of links of all brands of
consumer grade smart phones is the same.
  #33  
Old March 1st 18, 06:26 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Default The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence

In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:

Forget black helicopters, FBI flying surveillance Cessnas over US cities.

they can fly them all they want, but all they'll get is encrypted data,
which will take a few few billion years to brute force.

You wish.


no wishing needed. as usual, you have *zero* understanding about
encryption used on modern smartphones.


Tell that to Zimmermann or Rommel or Stalin or Hirohito, all of whom
believed essentially what you believe, which was fed to you by Brand X
marketing.


they didn't have iphones.

Your entire belief system is built upon a house of cards, fed to you by
that admittedly fantastically competent Brand X marketing organization.


nope. it's based on a solid understanding of how modern devices
actually work, something you lack, despite it being explained to you.

When you crack things, you don't often go brute force, which is one reason
why, when I worked at Fort Mead, the walls not only had no windows, but
they had full-length heavy curtains on those walls with no windows (as just
one example that they attack the weakest link).


if you actually had worked there, you would have known how to spell it
correctly.
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Old March 1st 18, 06:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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nospam wrote:

for that, you need the passcode, which if it's complex, will take a few
billion years to crack, and the imei won't help you at all,


Your entire belief system is built upon a house of cards fed to you by
Brand X marketing, admittedly one of the best marketing organizations in
the world, such that you actually seem to think that an adversary must go
frontal on your strongest link in order to obtain what they want.

As just /one/ example of how adversaries attack weak links first, read any
of the hits from this simple directed search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=crack+encr...ing+cpu+sounds

To save you time, this is the first hit:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-computers-cpu

The point here is that the mobile device security is only as strong as the
set of weakest links, which are the same for all consumer grade mobile
devices.
  #35  
Old March 1st 18, 06:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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nospam wrote:

Tell that to Zimmermann or Rommel or Stalin or Hirohito, all of whom
believed essentially what you believe, which was fed to you by Brand X
marketing.


they didn't have iphones.


They all had data they encrypted with what they /thought/ was secure means.

In /most/ cases that I mentioned, the adversary did not go frontal (e.g.,
enigma and Cairo were not frontal) but in some cases, they did go frontal
(Joe Rochefort).

Your entire belief system is built upon a house of cards, fed to you by
that admittedly fantastically competent Brand X marketing organization.


nope. it's based on a solid understanding of how modern devices
actually work, something you lack, despite it being explained to you.


That your entire belief system is underpinned by a foundation that is fed
to you, word for word, by one of the best marketing organizations in the
world, is patently obvious.

if you actually had worked there, you would have known how to spell it
correctly.


True that, as "Fort Meade" is a purposeful euphemism, where the actual
names inside the unnamed entity are in terms of R14 and the like.
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Old March 1st 18, 06:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:
As just /one/ example of how adversaries attack weak links first, read any
of the hits from this simple directed search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=crack+encr...ing+cpu+sounds

To save you time, this is the first hit:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-worlds-toughe
st-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu


you might want to actually *read* the links you spew.

If you want to keep your data secure, you only really have two viable
options: Heavy-duty encryption, physical security, and ideally both
at the same time.

iphones have the former and other than a confiscated phone, they also
have the latter.

not only that, but without the correct passcode, there won't be any
sounds to capture it decrypting anything.

tl;dr you haven't any clue.
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Old March 1st 18, 06:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Default The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence

In article , ultred ragnusen
wrote:


Tell that to Zimmermann or Rommel or Stalin or Hirohito, all of whom
believed essentially what you believe, which was fed to you by Brand X
marketing.


they didn't have iphones.


They all had data they encrypted with what they /thought/ was secure means.


not using modern encryption techniques, they didn't.
  #38  
Old March 1st 18, 06:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Default The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence

nospam wrote:

As just /one/ example of how adversaries attack weak links first, read any
of the hits from this simple directed search:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=crack+encr...ing+cpu+sounds

To save you time, this is the first hit:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-worlds-toughe
st-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu


you might want to actually *read* the links you spew.

If you want to keep your data secure, you only really have two viable
options: Heavy-duty encryption, physical security, and ideally both
at the same time.

iphones have the former and other than a confiscated phone, they also
have the latter.

not only that, but without the correct passcode, there won't be any
sounds to capture it decrypting anything.


You may want to re-think your concept of "physical security" since we're
talking about /radio/ waves, where it's impossible to have physical
security of what transpires over those radio waves.
  #39  
Old March 1st 18, 06:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Default The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence

In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:


You may want to re-think your concept of "physical security" since we're
talking about /radio/ waves, where it's impossible to have physical
security of what transpires over those radio waves.


nearly all data on a smartphone is encrypted *if* it's sent over the
air. quite a bit of data never leaves the phone. ever.
  #40  
Old March 1st 18, 06:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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nospam wrote:

everything on an iphone is encrypted and for all intents, impossible to
crack.

cracking encryption on android phones is child's play. most of them
aren't even encrypted because it slows the phone down too much.


Let's give up because you can only spout what Brand X marketing has told
you to spout, which works on the hoi polloi to make them pay more just to
/feel/ safe, but who don't realize that not every attack will be frontal.
 




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