SIDE BY SIDE - D70 vs Rebel XT/350D

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Furthermore, one Nikon advantage is with "optional" software, which I
suppose means that you don't get unless you pay extra money not
accounted for in the price comparison. And the warranty advantage
would seem to be Canada-specific, too.

I forgot about that. The Nikon RAW software is only a demo version with
the D70. That always chapped my ass about the camera.

The 350D ships with the new Canon DPP software, which, while not the
greatest, certainly is a lot better than File Viewer.
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John P Sheehy wrote:

Like a RAW RGB histogram?

AFAIK, the only low-end D-SLR with an RGB histogram is the Sigma SD10,
and it's there for a very good reason. It's not like any major player
is putting this feature into their amateur or prosumer models. But who
knows. We haven't seen the spec on the D80 or D200 yet, but they should
be out soon.

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In message ,
Alan Browne wrote:


If you sort by quality (across all shooting conditions) you end up
sorting roughly by price at the same time.


... for a given focal length, or range (as in a zoom). A $70 50mm lens
can be optically superior to an L-grade wide-angle zoom.


I believe most people would understand that...

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On 7 Mar 2005 16:58:51 -0800, "Scharf-DCA"
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John P Sheehy wrote:

Like a RAW RGB histogram?

AFAIK, the only low-end D-SLR with an RGB histogram is the Sigma SD10,
and it's there for a very good reason.

Because the SD10 doesn't do anything *BUT* RAW?
It's not like any major player
is putting this feature into their amateur or prosumer models. But who
knows. We haven't seen the spec on the D80 or D200 yet, but they should
be out soon.

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"Steven M. Scharf" wrote in message
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The lack of mirror lock-up is just decontenting. They do lock up the
mirror for sensor cleaning, so the capability is there.

True. I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be a firmware hack for this
though...

Well ... remember that when sensor cleaning, they recommend
operating it from the AC power adaptor, which suggests that holding the
mirror up drains the battery rather quickly. This seems to me to be
adequate reason to not put it in the firmware -- either as an original
feature, or as an aftermarket "hack".

I suspect that the mirror is being held up by battery power full
time while it is up, and that to provide a reasonable mirror lock-up
feature, they would need to add hardware -- one solenoid to lift the
mirror (and let it latch), and another to release it once it is time to
do so.

At that time, they could also add a mirror up, delay, expose,
and mirror release features for extreme telephoto or for
astro-photography.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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In message ,
Alan Browne wrote:

wrote:

In message ,
Alan Browne wrote:


If you sort by quality (across all shooting conditions) you end up
sorting roughly by price at the same time.


... for a given focal length, or range (as in a zoom). A $70 50mm lens
can be optically superior to an L-grade wide-angle zoom.


I believe most people would understand that...

.... and for those that don't ... my post.
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All review sites reflect the site owners personal prefernces somewhat.
I.e., ever since I bought my first film SLR, and was advised to get the
vertical grip, I find it so useful in portrait mode that I simply
cannot imagine buying an SLR that doesn't support this option
(reviewers always mention the same issue on the D70, and it is a
constant complaint on D70 forums, to the point that someone is coming
out with an after-market grip). But of course I recognize that some
people don't want the weight and expense of a vertical grip, and the
lack of one is a non-issue.

I shoot handheld most of the time, and when I want a vertical
format, it is easy to raise my right elbow as I rotate the camera to
take a photo in the portrait orientation. (Or sometimes I even tuck it
in as I rotate the camera the other way.) Since the next shot is as
likely as not to return to landscape orientation, I would find shifting
my hand between grips more of a pain than simply rotating the camera
while maintaining my grip.

If I took a lot of photos on a tripod in portrait orientation, I
might consider the vertical grip to be an issue. And if I had one of
those brackets which switch easily between portrait and landscape mode,
I would probably want to remote the release button to the pan handle of
the tripod or something similar. (And even remote several of the extra
controls, including both thumbwheels.)

But for now, it is just a matter of noise in the discussions to me.

Enjoy,
DoN.

P.S. Speaking of noise -- I don't find the noise at ISO 1600 to be
that bad. But my standard of comparison is the Nikon/Kodak
NC2000e/c (Nikon N90s converted to digital by Kodak) which is
*quite* noisy in ISO 1600 mode.
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In message . com,
"Scharf-DCA" wrote:

John P Sheehy wrote:

Like a RAW RGB histogram?

AFAIK, the only low-end D-SLR with an RGB histogram is the Sigma SD10,
and it's there for a very good reason. It's not like any major player
is putting this feature into their amateur or prosumer models.

Which should be a crime, IMO.

The companies are more interested in what they can get away with, not
with how they can make a superior product for very little extra cost. I
bet it would cost only a couple thousand dollars of programming time to
put a RAW RGB histogram in the firmware.
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John P Sheehy

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:34:00 GMT, wrote:

The companies are more interested in what they can get away with, not
with how they can make a superior product for very little extra cost. I
bet it would cost only a couple thousand dollars of programming time to
put a RAW RGB histogram in the firmware.

If they would just let people hack on the firmware, I'm sure they
could get someone to add that feature (and lots more) for free.

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Big Bill wrote:

On 7 Mar 2005 16:58:51 -0800, "Scharf-DCA"
wrote:

John P Sheehy wrote:

Like a RAW RGB histogram?

AFAIK, the only low-end D-SLR with an RGB histogram is the Sigma SD10,
and it's there for a very good reason.

Because the SD10 doesn't do anything *BUT* RAW?

Is it really a RAW RGB histogram, though, or is it a color-balanced sRGB
histogram?

By "RAW RGB", I mean 0 to 4095 for each recorded channel, not 0 to 255
for estimated gamma/color-corrected conversion.
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