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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence



 
 
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Old March 2nd 18, 11:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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ultred ragnusen wrote:

There are two ways around /every/ cipher.


The related point here is that Brand X marketing (and nospam) want us to
believe that there is only one way, the frontal attack, against a cipher.

This serves their purpose to ignore that there is always another way which
isn't frontal.

It serves Brand X marketing purposes for people to /ignore/ the other way
around any cipher.. which ... I posit ... is false security.

That Brand X marketing makes its users /feel/ secure is commendable from
the emotional well being standpoint, but that's the only good it does.
  #82  
Old March 2nd 18, 11:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:


There are two ways around /every/ cipher.


The related point here is that Brand X marketing (and nospam) want us to
believe that there is only one way, the frontal attack, against a cipher.


other ways are not guaranteed to exist.

you know *very* little about encryption.
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Old March 2nd 18, 11:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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nospam wrote:

you know *very* little about encryption.


Neither did the Germans (enigma), nor the Japanese (jn24), nor the Russians
(diplomatic cipher), British (Zimmermann), nor the Americans (Ames) then...
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Old March 3rd 18, 12:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Wolffan wrote:

Fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful
gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.


The readers will note that nospam has been told many times that fraud
contains /multiple/ elements, /all/ of which must be present for it to be
considered fraud.

(1) A material representation was made;
(2) the representation was false;
(3) the speaker knew it was false;
(4) the speaker intended the other party should act upon it;
(5) the party acted in reliance on the representation;
(6) the party thereby suffered injury.
http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-fraud.html

Simply changing your IMEI isn't and never was fraud, and, even in the UK,
where it is an illegal act, it's only symbolic in that the law is almost
completely never enforced in the dozen years it has been in existence (and
it was never intended to be enforced because it was clearly stated to
simply "send a message" by the originators themselves).

Nonetheless, nospam, because of the strange way his mind works, has no
concept of privacy, where he thinks every action anyone takes is to cause
someone harm and yet - when Apple causes harm - he defends Apple's actions
with his very life.

Odd chap that nospam seems to be.
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Old March 3rd 18, 12:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article , ultred
ragnusen wrote:


Fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful
gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.


The readers will note that nospam has been told many times that fraud
contains /multiple/ elements, /all/ of which must be present for it to be
considered fraud.


altering an imei meets all of them.

(1) A material representation was made;


the altered imei.

(2) the representation was false;


the imei is not the original, therefore false.

(3) the speaker knew it was false;


it was knowingly altered.

(4) the speaker intended the other party should act upon it;


the other party being the cellular carrier.

(5) the party acted in reliance on the representation;


and they did, thinking you had a different phone than the one you
actually had.

(6) the party thereby suffered injury.


providing service to which you are not entitled.

fraud.
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Old March 3rd 18, 04:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:49:26 -0800, ultred ragnusen
wrote:

nospam wrote:

you know *very* little about encryption.


Neither did the Germans (enigma), nor the Japanese (jn24), nor the Russians
(diplomatic cipher), British (Zimmermann), nor the Americans (Ames) then...


"The Hut Six Story"
https://www.amazon.com/Hut-Six-Story...+hut+six+story
or https://tinyurl.com/y8br99l2 is an interesting introduction the
extraction of information from messages when not actually being able
to decipher them.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old March 3rd 18, 04:36 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:44:36 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

David_B
Thu, 01 Mar 2018 07:40:06 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and
ears of those who are tasked to monitor us.


Not true.


I think it is true.

The first piece of information which can be gained from a phone is
that it exists.

The next is the when and where of its existence.

Who it communicates with (or vice versa) is another piece of
information.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old March 3rd 18, 06:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 03/03/2018 03:36, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:44:36 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

David_B
Thu, 01 Mar 2018 07:40:06 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and
ears of those who are tasked to monitor us.


Not true.


I think it is true.

The first piece of information which can be gained from a phone is
that it exists.

The next is the when and where of its existence.

Who it communicates with (or vice versa) is another piece of
information.


Thanks, Eric! :-)

--
David B.
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Old March 3rd 18, 06:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 02/03/2018 21:44, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:50:53 GMT
in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

FYI ...... (I didn't know either! ;-) )


If you spent less time stalking people, you'd have time to keep
uptodate on more important matters. Such as your iphone being 0wned by
a 3rd party if some people with very deep pockets believe you have
something of value on it.


Don't sweat the 'small stuff'! ;-)

--
David B.

  #90  
Old March 3rd 18, 08:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Diesel wrote:

I'm hoping for an interesting and educational discussion since you
brought up the subject of cracking. I do hope I'll find that you
actually know WTF you're writing about, and not just tossing words
out there that you think gives others the impression you have
knowledge of the subject.


Did you even /look/ at the links I already provided on that subject?
 




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