Toe speed of TMAX 400 (was fridge and heat problems)

"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
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[... snip Kodak quote - properly cited by M.S. ...]

Now we are down into the nitty-gritty of esthetic nuances which take on
religious proportions.

I take Kodak's position to have commercial/company political spin; they are,
after all, in the business of promoting the complete Kodak package. If the
client believes Kodak, they need not look further and can settle down into a
simple factory-given method, following The Kodak Way. Kodak's assertion is
as much a mantra as the Zone System. Different approaches. Different
outcomes. But at least nobody's holding the threat of Hell over our heads.

"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...

[... snip Kodak quote - properly cited by M.S. ...]

Now we are down into the nitty-gritty of esthetic nuances which take on
religious proportions.

I take Kodak's position to have commercial/company political spin; they are,
after all, in the business of promoting the complete Kodak package. If the
client believes Kodak, they need not look further and can settle down into a
simple factory-given method, following The Kodak Way. Kodak's assertion is
as much a mantra as the Zone System. Different approaches. Different
outcomes. But at least nobody's holding the threat of Hell over our heads.

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...

[... snip Kodak quote - properly cited by M.S. ...]

Now we are down into the nitty-gritty of esthetic nuances which take on
religious proportions.

I take Kodak's position to have commercial/company political spin; they are,
after all, in the business of promoting the complete Kodak package.

The author clearly states that some photographers do not follow this
practice (that is, some photographers vary their development on scenes
of varing brightness), but he claims that research by Kodak
(presumably presenting prints made with VFD and CFD to a number of
observers) has determined that most observers prefer 'normal'
reproduction of midddle tones. What has this to do with Kodak
products?

If the
client believes Kodak, they need not look further and can settle down into a
simple factory-given method, following The Kodak Way. Kodak's assertion is
as much a mantra as the Zone System.

No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma. The
zoan sistum is based on dogma, not on observers' preferences. It
reveals total ignorance of them, in fact.

Different approaches. Different
outcomes. But at least nobody's holding the threat of Hell over our heads.

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...

[... snip Kodak quote - properly cited by M.S. ...]

Now we are down into the nitty-gritty of esthetic nuances which take on
religious proportions.

I take Kodak's position to have commercial/company political spin; they are,
after all, in the business of promoting the complete Kodak package.

The author clearly states that some photographers do not follow this
practice (that is, some photographers vary their development on scenes
of varing brightness), but he claims that research by Kodak
(presumably presenting prints made with VFD and CFD to a number of
observers) has determined that most observers prefer 'normal'
reproduction of midddle tones. What has this to do with Kodak
products?

If the
client believes Kodak, they need not look further and can settle down into a
simple factory-given method, following The Kodak Way. Kodak's assertion is
as much a mantra as the Zone System.

No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma. The
zoan sistum is based on dogma, not on observers' preferences. It
reveals total ignorance of them, in fact.

Different approaches. Different
outcomes. But at least nobody's holding the threat of Hell over our heads.

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...

[... snip Kodak quote - properly cited by M.S. ...]

Now we are down into the nitty-gritty of esthetic nuances which take on
religious proportions.

I take Kodak's position to have commercial/company political spin; they are,
after all, in the business of promoting the complete Kodak package.

The author clearly states that some photographers do not follow this
practice (that is, some photographers vary their development on scenes
of varing brightness), but he claims that research by Kodak
(presumably presenting prints made with VFD and CFD to a number of
observers) has determined that most observers prefer 'normal'
reproduction of midddle tones. What has this to do with Kodak
products?

If the
client believes Kodak, they need not look further and can settle down into a
simple factory-given method, following The Kodak Way. Kodak's assertion is
as much a mantra as the Zone System.

No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma. The
zoan sistum is based on dogma, not on observers' preferences. It
reveals total ignorance of them, in fact.

Different approaches. Different
outcomes. But at least nobody's holding the threat of Hell over our heads.

"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
m...

[...] What has this to do with Kodak
products?
[...]
No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma.

Hell, M.S., the observers is the consumer market who think that prints of
Elvis on velvet are great.

"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
m...

[...] What has this to do with Kodak
products?
[...]
No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma.

Hell, M.S., the observers is the consumer market who think that prints of
Elvis on velvet are great.

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
m...

[...] What has this to do with Kodak
products?
[...]
No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma.

Hell, M.S., the observers is the consumer market who think that prints of
Elvis on velvet are great.

You DO understand that commercial photography is to satisfy CLIENTS'
demands, not your own. right? DON'T try to shove distorted mid-tones
down my throat!

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
m...

[...] What has this to do with Kodak
products?
[...]
No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma.

Hell, M.S., the observers is the consumer market who think that prints of
Elvis on velvet are great.

You DO understand that commercial photography is to satisfy CLIENTS'
demands, not your own. right? DON'T try to shove distorted mid-tones
down my throat!

"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...
"jjs" wrote in message
...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
m...

[...] What has this to do with Kodak
products?
[...]
No, it's not. It is based on observers' preferences, not dogma.

Hell, M.S., the observers is the consumer market who think that prints
of
Elvis on velvet are great.

You DO understand that commercial photography is to satisfy CLIENTS'
demands, not your own. right? DON'T try to shove distorted mid-tones
down my throat!

You like 'em and you don't even know it.