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May 25th 17, 08:56 PM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
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Whisky-dave wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear it, that's all that matters. No, it's been shown that animals can sense/hear earthquakes and they run. when animals start listening to music and downloading it, we can make cater to their needs. until then, what humans can hear is what matters. was there an objective double blind test of music with and without supersonic harmonics, Music is NOT the only part of the spectrum, it's just a very small part, a bit like visible light is the only part we can 'see'. what you're still not getting is that there's no need to reproduce what's *outside* the audible spectrum for something that's audible. 
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May 26th 17, 03:51 PM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. No it;s about which is best analogue or digital. digital anything that is digitised means chopping up the original signal the more of these samples you take the better the approxamation the digital result will but it won;t be the same as the original it never will be. it will be, and you *really* don't understand sampling.
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May 26th 17, 06:37 PM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. No it;s about which is best analogue or digital. digital Analogue is better equalalant to infinite samples . no
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May 26th 17, 07:46 PM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
On 5/26/2017 5:35 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 25 May 2017 20:56:37 UTC+1, nospam wrote: In article , Whisky-dave wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. No it;s about which is best analogue or digital. anything that is digitised means chopping up the original signal the more of these samples you take the better the approximation the digital result will but it won;t be the same as the original it never will be. Yeah but what are you going to record the analogue signal with? I think that's where analogue will fail. I use to think that digitizing the signal would cause problems, in that regard, until I realized how little resolution of any value you can achieve below a certain level with analogue. How low a voltage can you read on an analogue meter say on the 10 volt scale without getting into a bridge setup?
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May 27th 17, 12:31 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
On Thu, 25 May 2017 15:56:33 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Whisky-dave wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear it, that's all that matters. No, it's been shown that animals can sense/hear earthquakes and they run. when animals start listening to music and downloading it, we can make cater to their needs. until then, what humans can hear is what matters. was there an objective double blind test of music with and without supersonic harmonics, Music is NOT the only part of the spectrum, it's just a very small part, a bit like visible light is the only part we can 'see'. what you're still not getting is that there's no need to reproduce what's *outside* the audible spectrum for something that's audible. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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May 27th 17, 12:44 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. so what? that was never in dispute. the issue *you* brought up was high frequency sounds, not low. now you're moving the ol' goalposts around.
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May 27th 17, 02:02 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
On 5/26/2017 7:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. so what? that was never in dispute. the issue *you* brought up was high frequency sounds, not low. now you're moving the ol' goalposts around. Moving the goalposts? Hell, this here is a somewhat simplified version of 43-Man Squamish. Read the rules and then tell me where the goalposts belong at any given point in the game. -- == Later... Ron C cynic-in-training --
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May 27th 17, 03:34 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
On Fri, 26 May 2017 19:44:14 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. so what? that was never in dispute. the issue *you* brought up was high frequency sounds, not low. now you're moving the ol' goalposts around. Nope. Just adding them to the mix. I have already told you of high frequency sounds which can't be heard but still can be detected. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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May 27th 17, 03:35 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. so what? that was never in dispute. the issue *you* brought up was high frequency sounds, not low. now you're moving the ol' goalposts around. Nope. Just adding them to the mix. I have already told you of high frequency sounds which can't be heard but still can be detected. if they can't be heard, they can't be detected.
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May 27th 17, 10:55 AM
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David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
On Fri, 26 May 2017 22:35:57 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: if humans can't hear it, then there's no point in reproducing it. But what is "can't hear it"? Oohashi et al have found that the brain responds to 25kHz even if the owner of the brain doesn't think they can hear the sound. respond how? some vague physiological effect is completely meaningless. 17 Hz can't be heard but it can cause epilepsy, and infra sound that you can't hear distorts the eye and this is why some see 'ghosts' or feel they are being watched it's sound waves on the eye. this isn't about subsonic sounds. You should try listening to a l a r g e organ. You feel the lower notes rather than hear them. Also some drums. so what? that was never in dispute. the issue *you* brought up was high frequency sounds, not low. now you're moving the ol' goalposts around. Nope. Just adding them to the mix. I have already told you of high frequency sounds which can't be heard but still can be detected. if they can't be heard, they can't be detected. The evidence is that the brain can. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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