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"Largformat" wrote in message
... No, the secret to this conflict resolution is for the 'select' few to realize that this forum is not their personal backyard and to cease the abusive posts. To disagree is one thing but it is possible for many people to disagree w/o becoming abusive. I have suggested this many times. Even my post about the other groups is labelled as trolling when in fact it is giving people a choice. Let all of us know as much as we can and make our own choices. You are the most intractably disrespectful usenet abuser I've ever met. You do not belong here. |
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You are the most intractably disrespectful usenet abuser I've ever met. You
do not belong here. It is obvious to anyone that whenever I come on and give people other sources of info, even those I do not control, write, etc. that you and a few others object. It is a control issue pure and simple. You are angry that you, and so are a few others, cannot control (which means limit) the flow of information. I will continue to post info, whatever info, I think will be helpful to people steve simmons |
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On 12/7/2004 6:37 AM Gregory Blank spake thus:
In article G2jtd.2633$mn6.48@trnddc07, "Shelley" wrote: Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? No, anyone who participates here for any length of time notices this. It's incredibly ironic that he talks about all the abusive posts here when he's the only person who generates them. Not completely accurate, anyone taking issue on a continual basis is equally to blame. I have stated in the past that I am not going to defend anyone but myself at this point. I also raised the point that one can kill file the thread any time one wishes, I am going to take that advice, and kill file both this and the other related threads. FYI I don't see you greatly contributing to this group in regard to promoting or discussing LF photo, but for now because your relatively new I am not going to kill file you like I have done with others posting more than less baseless complaints. Ooooooh, we're all scared now! Sheesh, Blank, you wield that threat of killfiling as if it were a really dangerous weapon or something. Do you think anyone actually gives a **** who's in your killfile? And it's still "you're". Learn the mechanics of writing, like the mechanics of taking a picture. -- Don't blame Ralph Nader: blame Gavin Newsom. |
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Stacey wrote: Largformat wrote: I must say, it takes some cheek to employ Usenet to bash its own newsgroups and attempt to divert discussion to a forum under Mr. Simmons's personal control. Charles Hohenstein One of the three is on my web site. The other two are completely independent of View Camera magazine. None of the three I mentioned has the abusive types of posts that are much too freuent here. You troll the group with the "Forum Response Critics" totally off topic thread, call someone a liar and then have the gall to post this? Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? Clearly, you have blinders on as to just whose posts are abusive... As long as you stay away, things seem fairly calm unless there is a crossposted digital thread and then the people being abusive are from other newsgroups. Ah, so you do know the foul mouthed ass Nebenzahl and the ever ignorant jj... All anyone has EVER asked is for you to stop pointing people to your magazines website as an answer to their question yet you seem to be unable to do this. Your new thing is to disrupt the group with a troll post and then point people to your web discussion to get away from this activity? If you find the nonsense that goes on here to be sport stay and enjoy it. If not you might want to know about other opportunities to get info and have a serious discussion about lf. The fat that people here complain about information being posted related to lf photo seems totally absurd to me. On the View Camera site I allow people to post references to other web sites and I do not complain or delete them. It is simply that I believe in open communication and allowing people to make their own choices. steve simmons steve simmons steve -- Stacey |
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Gregory Blank wrote: In article G2jtd.2633$mn6.48@trnddc07, "Shelley" wrote: Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? No, anyone who participates here for any length of time notices this. It's incredibly ironic that he talks about all the abusive posts here when he's the only person who generates them. Not completely accurate, anyone taking issue on a continual basis is equally to blame. I have stated in the past that I am not going to defend anyone but myself at this point. I also raised the point that one can kill file the thread any time one wishes, I am going to take that advice, and kill file both this and the other related threads. FYI I don't see you greatly contributing to this group in regard to promoting or discussing LF photo, but for now because your relatively new I am not going to kill file you like I have done with others posting more than less baseless complaints. It's interesting how little those who are complaining loudest (i.e., Nebenzahl et. al.) contribute to ANY rec.photo group, other than to stir up trouble with nasty postings. LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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Largformat wrote: All anyone has EVER asked is for you to stop pointing people to your magazines website as an answer to their question yet you seem to be unable to do this. Your new thing is to disrupt the group with a troll post and then point people to your web discussion to get away from this activity? I partly agree. Tgere are some people who frequent this group who have a problem whenever I post anything. However, your post is also full of misinformation. I told people about three other discussion groups - only one of which I cointrol. I frequently post here and in other places info w/o mentioning my web site. There is info, free info, on the view camera site that is helpful to people. I get nates of thanks all the time. No, the secret to this conflict resolution is for the 'select' few to realize that this forum is not their personal backyard and to cease the abusive posts. To disagree is one thing but it is possible for many people to disagree w/o becoming abusive. I have suggested this many times. Even my post about the other groups is labelled as trolling when in fact it is giving people a choice. Let all of us know as much as we can and make our own choices. Re conflict resolution: Well, you _should_ post the information in this nsg for the benefit of those who read the nsg, not just direct the OP to viewcamera. The other secret to conflict resolution is to killfile Nebenzahl et al since no matter what you do or say they will remain abusive as it's the only thing they actually have to contribute... steve simmons |
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David Nebenzahl wrote: On 12/7/2004 6:37 AM Gregory Blank spake thus: In article G2jtd.2633$mn6.48@trnddc07, "Shelley" wrote: Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? No, anyone who participates here for any length of time notices this. It's incredibly ironic that he talks about all the abusive posts here when he's the only person who generates them. Not completely accurate, anyone taking issue on a continual basis is equally to blame. I have stated in the past that I am not going to defend anyone but myself at this point. I also raised the point that one can kill file the thread any time one wishes, I am going to take that advice, and kill file both this and the other related threads. FYI I don't see you greatly contributing to this group in regard to promoting or discussing LF photo, but for now because your relatively new I am not going to kill file you like I have done with others posting more than less baseless complaints. Ooooooh, we're all scared now! Sheesh, Blank, you wield that threat of killfiling as if it were a really dangerous weapon or something. Do you think anyone actually gives a **** who's in your killfile? And it's still "you're". Learn the mechanics of writing, like the mechanics of taking a picture. Fair is fair. Let's see the mechanics of _your_ photography/photographs and compare with Gregs. Being a blow hard on usenet is easy. Let's have a juried show of rec.photo.darkroom/large-format and see whose entries pass muster... |
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In article G2jtd.2633$mn6.48@trnddc07, Shelley wrote:
Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? No, anyone who participates here for any length of time notices this. It's incredibly ironic that he talks about all the abusive posts here when he's the only person who generates them. That's certainly not true; but it is unquestionably the case that Steve's insistence on treating a Usenet newsgroup that has existed in one form or another quite literally for _decades_ as an extension and advertising billboard for his Johnny-come-lately web forum certainly does stir up a lot of trouble. I suspect that if Steve could learn to conform to the simple conventions of discussion on Usenet, which have facilitated communication here for twenty years, others would tend to take less offense. It is not difficult to conform to Usenet quoting and citation style; in fact, it is arguably more difficult to _not_ do so, particularly in the way in which Steve does not, since no standard news posting software produces the bizarrely mangled text that Steve consistently posts here. It is not hard to see why this leads some people to the suspicion that Steve is actually _deliberately trying_ to disrupt the rec.photo newsgroups in order to steer business to his for-profit photographic ventures. I think that that suspicion is wrong; but I do see why it exists. Steve, you manage to keep two fine-art magazines in print, which is not an insignificant venture; to run a bunch of web sites, organize meetings, pay authors, and so forth. Why is it that you can not (or choose not to) handle the simple task of speaking Usenet when you're speaking on Usenet? I am sure you are not one of those people who goes to France and loudly bellows at the people you find there in English, insisting that if you only talk English at them louder, eventually they will come to their senses; I am sure that because effective communication and collaboration is your goal, when you go somewhere where the existing linguistic conventions are not those you practice at home, you are cooperative and respectful enough to do your best to converse appropriately, rather than stubbornly insisting that everyone else adapt to you instead -- which is usually considered very very rude. A little effort expended towards appearing to respect the conversational conventions of Usenet while conversing on Usenet would probably go a long way towards calming everyone down (yourself included) and defusing this mindless and counterproductive fight. Whether you think you are right or wrong, surely it would be better for all involved if at least you did the best you could to keep things calm, collegial, and friendly. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt even when you seem to be completely unwilling to do that; but as I said I don't have to use much imagination to see why others are not. -- Thor Lancelot Simon Am I politic? Am I subtle? Am I a Machiavel? -William Shakespeare |
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Thor,
Thanks for your note and taking the time to try and resolve the problems. In all honesty however, I think the problem is that many of my critics simply do not want alt sources of info posted here. They complain even when I do not post any quotes and even when I post sources of info that I do not control or write. steve simmons |
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FYI I
don't see you greatly contributing to this group in regard to promoting or discussing LF photo, but for now because your relatively new I am not going to kill file you like I have done with others posting more than less baseless complaints. I've been participating and contributing here for about nine years. My user name and e mail address have changed a couple times in that period for various reasons. But if you check just September's messages you'll see 7 posts from me on various topics. Assuming September was an average month, that would work out to something like 900 messages that I've posted here. None have referred anyone to my commercial web site (I don't have one), all have at least attempted to provide specific answers or relevant comments to questions. Not completely accurate, anyone taking issue on a continual basis is equally to blame. I don't see any issue of "blame" except on the part of those who abuse this group and/or who don't follow normal usenet protocol or common decency by, among other ways, the use of extreme profanity. In that sense there is plenty of "blame" to go around. Gregory Blank" wrote in message ... In article G2jtd.2633$mn6.48@trnddc07, "Shelley" wrote: Am I the only person to notice the only time I see abusive posts is when you're involved in the thread? No, anyone who participates here for any length of time notices this. It's incredibly ironic that he talks about all the abusive posts here when he's the only person who generates them. Not completely accurate, anyone taking issue on a continual basis is equally to blame. I have stated in the past that I am not going to defend anyone but myself at this point. I also raised the point that one can kill file the thread any time one wishes, I am going to take that advice, and kill file both this and the other related threads. FYI I don't see you greatly contributing to this group in regard to promoting or discussing LF photo, but for now because your relatively new I am not going to kill file you like I have done with others posting more than less baseless complaints. -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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