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On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper wrote: Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture people and windows. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg Mentally titled "Not for him". Missed your reason for the title. The bright sign pulls my eye from his face. -- PeterN |
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On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper wrote: Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture people and windows. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg Mentally titled "Not for him". Missed your reason for the title. The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed. The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment. The bright sign pulls my eye from his face. The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene. OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man. Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg -- PeterN |
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On 12/26/2012 10:15 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:23:00 -0500, Peter wrote: On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter wrote: On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper wrote: Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...2-07-09-X2.jpg This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture people and windows. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...-18-06B-XL.jpg Mentally titled "Not for him". Missed your reason for the title. The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed. The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment. The bright sign pulls my eye from his face. The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene. OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man. Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg Well, Peter, that's what makes "Street" challenging to me. Real people aren't always charming and photogenic. The guy in my link has that dead look that the down-and-out get. That's him, and that's what I tried to capture. What I try to catch in "Street" is real people, warts and all. I don't always look for society's lost, though. Sometimes I go for just ordinary people doing ordinary things. If you're not into "Street", you'd probably find most of my efforts uninteresting. This is an older shot that has a more upscale subject, but also a shot where the background sign and object added to the image: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...9-12-26-X2.jpg and this is one of my personal favorites from sometime back: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/...02-10-1-X2.jpg I find your shot quite interesting. The man doesn't need an strong expression to make it interesting. There's mild feeling of disgust, but that can be explained if he's a Jets fan. Jets fans are immune. Most Jet fans I know are ex Brooklyn Dodger fans. ("Wait till next year.") Your personal favorite, tells a story. It is interesting by itself, and does not need a separate background story. Here is the background of my dropped image. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mywimuvze2ztint/Aquaduct_0302.jpg Here is one that almost made the cut. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i7w5owvk6ivzh3/Aquaduct_0275.jpg Two of my submissions that made the cut were taken at the same place. While I went fjor the purpose of fulfilling the mandate, I will admit that I had a small net profit on the day. ;-) -- PeterN |
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On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
snip I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track, and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a large lens.) But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed a bet when at the dog track photographing. I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I wouldn't even go near a dog track. Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my camera. My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary. That is fun to watch. I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like anchovies...something to be tried once. Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation. In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one by one, in ACR. I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with care. Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg -- PeterN |
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On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said:
On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote: snip I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track, and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a large lens.) But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed a bet when at the dog track photographing. I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I wouldn't even go near a dog track. Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my camera. My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary. That is fun to watch. I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like anchovies...something to be tried once. Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation. In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one by one, in ACR. I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with care. Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background could have been. Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the abstract treatment. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2012-12-29 11:02:05 -0800, Tony Cooper said:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said: On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote: snip I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track, and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a large lens.) But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed a bet when at the dog track photographing. I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I wouldn't even go near a dog track. Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my camera. My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary. That is fun to watch. I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like anchovies...something to be tried once. Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation. In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one by one, in ACR. I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with care. Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background could have been. Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the abstract treatment. Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it. Interesting rendition, yes. Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be spoiling damaging to the image of bird. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise introduction. Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any other PP technique is not. ....and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck said:
Le Snip Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it. Interesting rendition, yes. Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be spoiling damaging to the image of bird. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise introduction. Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any other PP technique is not. ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy. Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings. This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to get that "Japanese print" effect. Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2012-12-29 14:26:32 -0800, Tony Cooper said:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck said: Le Snip Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it. Interesting rendition, yes. Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be spoiling damaging to the image of bird. A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise introduction. Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any other PP technique is not. ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy. Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings. This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to get that "Japanese print" effect. Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/Fil...eron-comp2.jpg I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is. It's just another instance of one person liking something that another person feels is not the optimal result. I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I appreciate. Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with me. OK! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said: On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote: snip I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track, and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a large lens.) But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed a bet when at the dog track photographing. I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I wouldn't even go near a dog track. Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my camera. My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary. That is fun to watch. I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like anchovies...something to be tried once. Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation. In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one by one, in ACR. I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with care. Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background could have been. Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the abstract treatment. I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens when you carry it to an extreme. This one did well in the creative category. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret -- PeterN |
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On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter said:
On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote: On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter said: On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote: snip I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track, and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these: http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...1-30-01-X2.jpg http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animal...dog-012-X2.jpg Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a large lens.) But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed a bet when at the dog track photographing. I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I wouldn't even go near a dog track. Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my camera. My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary. That is fun to watch. I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like anchovies...something to be tried once. Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation. In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one by one, in ACR. I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with care. Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring. https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background could have been. Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the abstract treatment. I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens when you carry it to an extreme. This one did well in the creative category. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret Now that I like! BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type". -- Regards, Savageduck |
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