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C-41 film in Rodinal
Please answer this question only if you have something useful to add.
While buying a C-41 kit for $16 from B&H may be a viable option in the U.S., here it is impossible. Not only would I have to ship it via surface mail (2-3 months by boat), but the post office just added a $10 customs fee (plus taxes and other fees) to receive any package from outside of Israel. To recap, I have a lot of APS C-41 Kodak color negative film of dubious quality, a bunch of cheap APS cameras and want to carry one around for snapshots. Doing a lot of web searching, I've found out how to open and remove the film from the cartridge. I've found the specs on the film, and think that I can convert a Paterson reel to the proper spacing without preventing it from being useable for normal (35mm) film. I've found several web pages with examples of prints from XP-2 and similar film developed in Rodinal, and comments about developing color film the same way, but absolutely no specifications. I happen to have Rodinal, getting other developers may be near impossible at the moment. If you have any information about dilution and development time, I would appreciate it. For me the best temperature would be 75F, the outside temperature went from the low 60's to the mid 70's in the last week. Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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C-41 film in Rodinal
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
... Please answer this question only if you have something useful to add. While buying a C-41 kit for $16 from B&H may be a viable option in the U.S., here it is impossible. Not only would I have to ship it via surface mail (2-3 months by boat), but the post office just added a $10 customs fee (plus taxes and other fees) to receive any package from outside of Israel. To recap, I have a lot of APS C-41 Kodak color negative film of dubious quality, a bunch of cheap APS cameras and want to carry one around for snapshots. Doing a lot of web searching, I've found out how to open and remove the film from the cartridge. I've found the specs on the film, and think that I can convert a Paterson reel to the proper spacing without preventing it from being useable for normal (35mm) film. I've found several web pages with examples of prints from XP-2 and similar film developed in Rodinal, and comments about developing color film the same way, but absolutely no specifications. I happen to have Rodinal, getting other developers may be near impossible at the moment. If you have any information about dilution and development time, I would appreciate it. For me the best temperature would be 75F, the outside temperature went from the low 60's to the mid 70's in the last week. Well, you could mix your own C-41 chemistry if the components are more readily available to you instead of getting that kit of ready made chemistry. Did a quick/rough search on the net and came up with http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/pho..._chemicals.htm Perhaps a more rigorous/thorough search on your part would yield more and better results. |
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C-41 film in Rodinal
Lawrence Akutagawa wrote:
Well, you could mix your own C-41 chemistry if the components are more readily available to you instead of getting that kit of ready made chemistry. Did a quick/rough search on the net and came up with http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/pho..._chemicals.htm Perhaps a more rigorous/thorough search on your part would yield more and better results. Thanks, Unfortunately, the all of the chemicals required would need to be purchased from a lab supply which only sells to coporations or imported. I can't even get sodium chloride. All sorts of salt is available here, but there are anticaking agents added. I've used "kosher" salt for pickling and it works, but there are still traces of something else in it. Most camera stores have stopped selling film and their mini-labs have either disapeared or morphed from one-hour-photo to one-hour-prints-from-digital. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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C-41 film in Rodinal
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... Please answer this question only if you have something useful to add. While buying a C-41 kit for $16 from B&H may be a viable option in the U.S., here it is impossible. Not only would I have to ship it via surface mail (2-3 months by boat), but the post office just added a $10 customs fee (plus taxes and other fees) to receive any package from outside of Israel. To recap, I have a lot of APS C-41 Kodak color negative film of dubious quality, a bunch of cheap APS cameras and want to carry one around for snapshots. Doing a lot of web searching, I've found out how to open and remove the film from the cartridge. I've found the specs on the film, and think that I can convert a Paterson reel to the proper spacing without preventing it from being useable for normal (35mm) film. I've found several web pages with examples of prints from XP-2 and similar film developed in Rodinal, and comments about developing color film the same way, but absolutely no specifications. I happen to have Rodinal, getting other developers may be near impossible at the moment. If you have any information about dilution and development time, I would appreciate it. For me the best temperature would be 75F, the outside temperature went from the low 60's to the mid 70's in the last week. Thanks, Geoff. Isn't XP-2 a C41 process film without orange mask? I've tried C-41 film in B&W chems, and the results were less than spectacular. The orange mask makes it difficult to print, and the contrast was pretty soft. If there is a Rodional dilution for maximum contrast, that would be your starting point. Supposedly there is a chemical treatment that removes the orange mask, but if you could get the ingredients for that, you could probably easily get C41 chems. Surely there must be some minilabs still extant. Maybe you could make arrangements to purchase a portion of their chems. Some of the minilabs use small (1Liter) of chemicals, supplied as a kit form. You would mix perhaps half the kit and save the balance of it for replenishment- maybe 10-20mL per roll. You would have four workings solutions (stored in air-tight containers with minimal exposure to air- I use plastic soft drink bottles and squeeze them until the chem is at the top), and you would add replenishment after eash use. C41 processing is not difficult, just time and temp critical. Developer temp is usually 100F +/- 0.5 degrees, however according Kodak, 'drift-by' temperature control is acceptable. ('Drift-by'-- assume the temperature will drop 2 degrees during the developer time. Start out 1 degree high, end up 1 degree low, the average will be correct.) Just for the record, it is possible to develope standard B&W film in C41 chemicals-- do NOT use the bleach! The developer is slow and soft contrast; the fixer is also slow. The stabilizer is used as a wetting agent only, as there are no dyes to stabilize. |
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Please answer this question only if you have something useful to add. While buying a C-41 kit for $16 from B&H may be a viable option in the U.S., here it is impossible. Not only would I have to ship it via surface mail (2-3 months by boat), but the post office just added a $10 customs fee (plus taxes and other fees) to receive any package from outside of Israel. To recap, I have a lot of APS C-41 Kodak color negative film of dubious quality, a bunch of cheap APS cameras and want to carry one around for snapshots. Doing a lot of web searching, I've found out how to open and remove the film from the cartridge. I've found the specs on the film, and think that I can convert a Paterson reel to the proper spacing without preventing it from being useable for normal (35mm) film. I've found several web pages with examples of prints from XP-2 and similar film developed in Rodinal, and comments about developing color film the same way, but absolutely no specifications. I happen to have Rodinal, getting other developers may be near impossible at the moment. If you have any information about dilution and development time, I would appreciate it. For me the best temperature would be 75F, the outside temperature went from the low 60's to the mid 70's in the last week. I haven't done it with Rodinal, but I did it with Ilford LC29. I used the time for HP5 as my starting point (6:30 with LC29), and found that was pretty close to as good as it got. I ran a couple of rolls of C-41 through B&W dev to see how good I could get it, but really it was a waste of time. I got some reasonable results out of it, but the negs are fairly low contrast, on a VERY dark brown base. Impossible to print, and difficult to scan. If you can't get hold of C-41 chem, I'm sure there'll be some minilabs around still. Alternatively if you want to process your own film in B&W chem then get B&W film. If you persist doing C41 film in B&W chem, I'm sure you'll find that you'll do 1 or 2 rolls, and realise that the results aren't worth the effort. Thanks, Geoff. |
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Doug Jewell wrote:
I ran a couple of rolls of C-41 through B&W dev to see how good I could get it, but really it was a waste of time. I got some reasonable results out of it, but the negs are fairly low contrast, on a VERY dark brown base. Impossible to print, and difficult to scan. If you can't get hold of C-41 chem, I'm sure there'll be some minilabs around still. Alternatively if you want to process your own film in B&W chem then get B&W film. If you persist doing C41 film in B&W chem, I'm sure you'll find that you'll do 1 or 2 rolls, and realise that the results aren't worth the effort. Thanks, Does anyone still sell APS black and white film? Did they ever? If I was in the U.S., I'd just go to a thrift store and buy a bunch of 35mm point and shoot cameras. I have lots of 35mm film in the fridge. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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C-41 film in Rodinal
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Roman J. Rohleder wrote: Re your original problem - you may develop the film in Rodinal or any other ordinary bw film. Just remember that the C41-Dev is a pretty strong formulation in combination with high temperature - to emulate that you´ll need a rather long dev time (or concentration of developer). And you will still get results which are too low in contrast and have too small a difference in density between the silver image and base tint to be printable on conventional black-and-white materials. You pretty much can´t overdevelop the C41 film. Last year I developed a few rolls of noname C41 films with Rodinal - the final aim was to redevelop those rolls in color by bleaching (rehalogenating) the films and developing, bleachfixing them in C41-chemistry afterwards. It worked fine - the color couplers are still functional after bw development and weeks of hanging in the cabinet.... Well. It "worked fine" because you wanted color results. If you'd tried to print the black and white negatives which were your intermediate step, I don't think you would be so happy about it. -- Thor Lancelot Simon "The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky |
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C-41 film in Rodinal
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
While buying a C-41 kit for $16 from B&H may be a viable option in the U.S., here it is impossible. What kind of camera stuff does Golden Camera sell? Or Jugend Brothers? No chemistry? Or is it still pricey even though they (might) buy in quantities? |
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