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Where will B&W be in 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 .... years



 
 
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Old March 14th 05, 04:41 AM
Tom Phillips
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Gregory Blank wrote:

In article ,
"death skunk five" wrote:

prints will last up to 500years.


They already do if you print using platinum and acid free
paper.


According to the Image Permanence Institute 500 years
is an acceptable estimate for an archivally processed
and selenium toned gelatin silver print as well.
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Old March 14th 05, 04:44 AM
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Gregory Blank wrote:

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I agree with a previous poster that B&W film, paper and chemicals will still
be around as an art form for the foreseeable future. Widely available -
no - but available.


Yes & it may mean a commitment of more than an occasional 25 sheet pack
of sample paper on some people's part.


Uh...I already can't buy anything less than a 50 sheet
seagull in 16x20 at $150+. And I still buy it.
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Old March 14th 05, 05:33 AM
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In article ,
Tom Phillips wrote:

Uh...I already can't buy anything less than a 50 sheet
seagull in 16x20 at $150+. And I still buy it.


$150 is what I paid for a box of Elite in 1992. I guess thats still a
good price although I have been getting Forte direct from the distributer
for a lot cheaper.

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Old March 14th 05, 11:11 AM
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
Forecast the future of B&W.

Where do you think it will be in:

5 years?

10 years?

20 years?

50 years?

If there is enough participation the average of the
predictions often turns out to be pretty accurate.


The subject of more meaningless forecasts :-)
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Old March 14th 05, 11:18 AM
Tom Phillips
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Gregory Blank wrote:

In article ,
Tom Phillips wrote:

Uh...I already can't buy anything less than a 50 sheet
seagull in 16x20 at $150+. And I still buy it.


$150 is what I paid for a box of Elite in 1992. I guess thats still a
good price although I have been getting Forte direct from the distributer
for a lot cheaper.


What I meant was you can't get it in 10/25 sheets
anymore. But I still buy the 50 even though 10
is all I need at ay one time..
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Old March 14th 05, 05:29 PM
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Steven Kefford wrote:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

If there is enough participation the average of the
predictions often turns out to be pretty accurate.


The subject of more meaningless forecasts :-)


What Nicholas said is true -- if you get answers from a broad enough
sample, the results tend to be reliable. Planners use the technique to
determine future growth patterns in the regions they administer.

My prediction: B&W printing will be pretty much the same in the future
as it is now. Significant, but not huge.

Bob
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Old March 14th 05, 05:32 PM
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Tom Phillips wrote:
Black and white silver imaging will always be practiced
as an art form. Plus in 1000 years when all those digital
files stored on hard drives and CDs have disappeared,
photos on film (any film) will still be here. Difference
between having a real bird in hand vs two cyberbush birds
that don't really exist to begin with.


Images from digital files can be archivally printed too. Why do you
think that photos from color film will be around in 1000 years? I've got
color prints that have already faded; there's no way they will last 100
years, let alone 1000.

Bob
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Old March 14th 05, 05:47 PM
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"bob" wrote

the same in the future as it is now.


Only more so.

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Old March 14th 05, 05:50 PM
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Bob wrote:

Images from digital files can be archivally printed too. Why do you
think that photos from color film will be around in 1000 years? I've got
color prints that have already faded; there's no way they will last 100
years, let alone 1000.



Agreed. Color and BW printing (both traditional and
inkjet) are qualitatively different.

I'll put my money on pigment inks, but dyes are
inherently less stable. The only hope for dye ink
longevity is a very compatible substrate that can
prevent oxidation of the inks. I don't know how
one might prevent the breakdown of dye molecules
from simple photon energy. Gelatin and swellable
polymer substrates seem to be the key to dye ink
longevity.


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Old March 14th 05, 06:48 PM
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rafeb wrote:

I'll put my money on pigment inks, but dyes are
inherently less stable. The only hope for dye ink
longevity is a very compatible substrate that can
prevent oxidation of the inks. I don't know how


I'm particularly interested in the archival qualites of color laser
printout. I have a feeling that the prints will last as long as the
paper, but I don't know with certainty. They don't seem to be impacted
by UV.

Bob
 




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