Image size , A technical puzzle.

In article , Tony Cooper
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for outdoors, there's nothing to work with. the lighting is courtesy of
mother nature and the backdrops are the buildings and landscape of the
campus.

You must not do any photography if you don't think lighting products
are used for outside model shoot photography. Reflectors and fill
flash are used by anyone wanting more than a snapshot.

the outdoor sets do not have any equipment.

This is probably one of the dumbest posts you've ever made. If you
think using just "Mother Nature" for lighting is all that's necessary
for an outdoor model shoot, you know nothing about photography.

what's incredibly dumb is that you're arguing over something you know
*nothing* about.

again, i'm telling you what goes on there.

if you think what they do is dumb, then by all means contact neccc and
tell them they've been doing it wrong all these years.

better yet, start your own camera conference and show the rest of the
world how it's done.

Using just "Mother Nature" is taking snapshots. A model shoot is held
to learn how to assist Mother Nature with equipment like reflectors
and flash.

it's really a shame that neccc doesn't have you to tell them they've
been doing it wrong all this time.

you're so bent on arguing that you've totally forgotten about the
indoor sets which have the studio lighting you say is needed.

occasionally a classic car might be used as a prop, but that's
about it. are you now going to claim that ford is sponsoring the show
because someone shows up with a 60's mustang?

That chinches it. You are not a photographer. If you think Mother
Nature's lighting is all that is used in car photography, you don't
know a lens cap from a circular polarizer.

try reading for comprehension. there is no car photography workshop.

If there's a car in scene as a prop, the car needs to be lit properly.
Otherwise, it's just a snapshot.

You don't need to attend a model shoot to learn to do snapshots.

again, feel free to contact neccc and offer your expert advice.

then why don't you contact neccc and set them straight. would you like
a name?

No thanks. I can Google as easily as you can.

unlike you, i'm not googling.

as the saying goes, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

it's amazing how neccc, now in its *70th* year, has managed all this
time without your help. maybe that red hotline phone you mentioned
should be on *your* desk, since you have all the answers.

Yet, they are all well-paid morons at NECCC according to you.

more of your twisting. i never said everyone there is a moron.

however, the ones in charge of the photo competition clearly are
morons. someone who knows what they're doing would never say
'resolution should be 100', a phrase which has no meaning whatsoever.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

attendees do not get to work with the lighting setups or backdrops used
in the indoor model shoot setups and unless someone looks for
specifics, they might not even know who makes any of it. it's not like
there are big signs advertising the setup.

Of course the attendees get to work with the lighting set-ups. The
lighting and the reflectors are in place when they shoot, so they see
the effect of the placement. That's working with the set-up. "Work
with" doesn't mean physically touching a reflector stand. It means
working with the item in place and seeing what it does.

they see it set up, but that's about it.

If that's all they do, they're wasting their time.

you have one week left to tell everyone that they should stay home.

that includes peter, who just submitted two photos.

also, be sure to let everyone know when tony's camera club conference
launches.

people aren't at the indoor sets to learn about which particular studio
lights to get. they're there to practice their skills in taking photos
in situations they might not otherwise be able to.

Are you really this thick? They know how to take photos. They've
pushed the little button on the top of the camera before.

What is done at a model shoot is learn how light is used to
effectively present the model in the photograph. What is learned is
how to position the model, and the lights, flash units, remotes,
reflectors, umbrellas, or whatever. The "situation" is how the model
can be presented with proper lighting.

Otherwise, it's just taking a photograph of person standing there.
That's always available to anyone anytime.

you claim to not make up stuff, but here you are making up stuff.

once again, i'm *telling* you what goes on there.

why do you insist on arguing about something you know nothing about?

in the unlikely event you run your own model shoots, you can do it any
way you choose. until that time, stfu.

Your experience with "model shoots" must be going to those places that
charge a fee for you to "photograph" lingerie models. You don't even
need film in the camera.

another one of your moronic comments.

you truly are an idiot.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


I am absolutely appalled that someone who pretends to be into
photography thinks a "model shoot" is just an opportunity for a
photographer to take a photo.

i'm not pretending to be into photography nor did i say a model shoot
is just an opportunity to take a photo.

why do you continually lie?

Rick Sammon gave a presentation last year to one of the camera clubs I
belong to, so I thought of him. He hold model shoot courses:

what you fail to understand is that neccc is not offering a full course
on model photography.

the model shoots at neccc are just one of many things going on.

sometimes there are sessions on model photography, which is separate
form the model shoots, and only a 1 hour talk (with rare exception).

Anyone who attends a meeting and signs up for a model shoot and
doesn't do so for the chance to learn about lighting the models is
wasting their time and money.

more of your ignorance. the model shoots do not require signing up to
participate. all that's needed is a conference badge.

in any event, you have one week left to tell everyone they're wasting
their time and money.

where will tony's camera club conference 2016 be held?

I would hope that NECCC offers something more than a model standing
around and a chance to take a snapshot.

they definitely do. not that you would know.

*Natural light, Mother Nature light, doesn't mean that fill flash,
reflectors, umbrellas, etc are not used.

once again, i'm *telling* you how it works there.

why do you insist on arguing about stuff you know nothing about?


Rick charges $279 for the course, and registration at the NECCC
meeting is $195, but if nospam is right (and I doubt it) you don't
have the same level of learning experience at NECCC.

i never said neccc offered the same thing as a dedicated model shoot
course.

more of your twists and lies.

not only that but if someone thinks $279 is going to turn them into a
professional model photographer, then they're in for a bit of a
surprise.

there's a whole helluva lot more to being a good model photographer
than knowing how to set up lights, some much more important than
knowing about setting up lights.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

people aren't at the indoor sets to learn about which particular studio
lights to get. they're there to practice their skills in taking photos
in situations they might not otherwise be able to.

Are you really this thick? They know how to take photos. They've
pushed the little button on the top of the camera before.

What is done at a model shoot is learn how light is used to
effectively present the model in the photograph. What is learned is
how to position the model, and the lights, flash units, remotes,
reflectors, umbrellas, or whatever. The "situation" is how the model
can be presented with proper lighting.

Otherwise, it's just taking a photograph of person standing there.
That's always available to anyone anytime.

you claim to not make up stuff, but here you are making up stuff.

Explain the difference, then.

the difference is that i know far more about neccc than you do.

If they're not participating in a model shoot to learn how to use
light to best present the model, what are they there for?

many reasons. everyone will have a different answer.

Why can't they just take a photo of some person at a bus stop using
Mother Nature light and get the same experience?

many reasons.

Without lighting and the lighting accessories, it's just a snapshot of
someone standing there. Why bother?

without lighting and accessories, photos of niagara falls, the eiffel
tower, tall ships, etc. are all just snapshots, so why bother?

Is this your level of expectation in photography? A snapshot?

nope.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

I am absolutely appalled that someone who pretends to be into
photography thinks a "model shoot" is just an opportunity for a
photographer to take a photo.

i'm not pretending to be into photography

Oh, so you've even dropped the pretense. Good move.

nope. i've never pretended to be into photography. it's been a very
real thing since around 5th grade.

where will tony's camera club conference 2016 be held?

Camera clubs do not have a conference. Tony's camera club belongs to
the FCCC, and the FCCC had their conference in Ft Myers, Florida back
in March.

more of your idiotic semantic games.

*Natural light, Mother Nature light, doesn't mean that fill flash,
reflectors, umbrellas, etc are not used.

once again, i'm *telling* you how it works there.

Once again, I'm telling *you* that you have the credibility of a
Nigerian banker's email.

and i'm telling *you* that so far, just about everything you've said
about neccc is completely wrong.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

If they're not participating in a model shoot to learn how to use
light to best present the model, what are they there for?

many reasons. everyone will have a different answer.

Why can't they just take a photo of some person at a bus stop using
Mother Nature light and get the same experience?

many reasons.

This is why you have no credibility. You make general statements,
usually negative and argumentitive ones, but you are unable to back
them up.

what's to back up? how could i possibly answer such a question?

i don't speak for every attendee nor would i ever attempt to even try.

if you want to know why people attend neccc and what they get out of
it, then you'll have to ask each attendee yourself. there is no single
answer, nor should there be.

as for credibility, you've yet to prove me wrong on anything i've said
about neccc. that makes *you* the non-credible one. in other words,
you're full of ****.

You can't explain what the hell you mean. No doubt because you don't
know what you're talking about. You just want to argue.

you have that backwards. i know exactly what i'm talking about and it's
you who insists on arguing, with absolutely no evidence to refute
anything i've said.

Without lighting and the lighting accessories, it's just a snapshot of
someone standing there. Why bother?

without lighting and accessories, photos of niagara falls, the eiffel
tower, tall ships, etc. are all just snapshots, so why bother?

To quote you, I didn't say...lighting accessories are needed for all
shots. The topic here is model shoots.

not all model shoots need lighting accessories.

maybe if you weren't an argumentative twit, you'd ask what goes on
rather than dictate how it should be done.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Rick Sammon gave a presentation last year to one of the camera clubs I
belong to, so I thought of him. He hold model shoot courses:

what you fail to understand is that neccc is not offering a full course
on model photography.

You are always saying "i didn't say...".

Well, I didn't say NECCC is offering a full course on model
photography.

then why did you compare it to one?

I don't fail to understand anything here.

oh yes you do.

I just know that a basic
model shoot set-up is always more than a person with a camera, a
model, and Mother Nature's light.

then it's a good thing that's not what neccc and their model shoots are
all about.

maybe if you weren't such an argumentative twit, you'd ask questions
about what actually goes on there rather than insist they're doing it
all wrong without even knowing what exactly they do and why.

but you won't. you'd rather argue.

i never said neccc offered the same thing as a dedicated model shoot
course.

more of your twists and lies.

not only that but if someone thinks $279 is going to turn them into a
professional model photographer, then they're in for a bit of a
surprise.

there's a whole helluva lot more to being a good model photographer
than knowing how to set up lights, some much more important than
knowing about setting up lights.

I "never said" that taking a model shoot session from

looks like you never said more than just that.

On 2015-07-12 03:30:38 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:39:06 -0400, nospam
wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Rick Sammon gave a presentation last year to one of the camera clubs I
belong to, so I thought of him. He hold model shoot courses:

what you fail to understand is that neccc is not offering a full course
on model photography.

You are always saying "i didn't say...".

Well, I didn't say NECCC is offering a full course on model
photography.

then why did you compare it to one?

There was no comparison made, but it was provided to show you what a
real model shoot involves since you obviously don't know.

I don't fail to understand anything here.

oh yes you do.

And you say I argue. This is your typical type of response.

i never said neccc offered the same thing as a dedicated model shoot
course.

Which post was it you talked about semantic games? Now it's not a
"dedicated model shoot course".

....but will you be able to keep the image files within the silly NECC
dimension and size guidelines for JPEGs?

--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Well, I didn't say NECCC is offering a full course on model
photography.

then why did you compare it to one?

There was no comparison made, but it was provided to show you what a
real model shoot involves since you obviously don't know.

another incorrect assumption and your complaint should be directed to
neccc, not me.

once again, i'm telling you what goes on there.

whether you approve or not does not matter.

I don't fail to understand anything here.

oh yes you do.

And you say I argue. This is your typical type of response.

yes, you do argue. that's about all you do.

have you contributed anything other than arguing in this thread? nope.

i never said neccc offered the same thing as a dedicated model shoot
course.

Which post was it you talked about semantic games? Now it's not a
"dedicated model shoot course".

is that not what it is?

On 2015-07-12 05:26:00 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:38:21 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-07-12 03:30:38 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:39:06 -0400, nospam
wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Rick Sammon gave a presentation last year to one of the camera clubs I
belong to, so I thought of him. He hold model shoot courses:

what you fail to understand is that neccc is not offering a full course
on model photography.

You are always saying "i didn't say...".

Well, I didn't say NECCC is offering a full course on model
photography.

then why did you compare it to one?

There was no comparison made, but it was provided to show you what a
real model shoot involves since you obviously don't know.

I don't fail to understand anything here.

oh yes you do.

And you say I argue. This is your typical type of response.

i never said neccc offered the same thing as a dedicated model shoot
course.

Which post was it you talked about semantic games? Now it's not a
"dedicated model shoot course".

...but will you be able to keep the image files within the silly NECC
dimension and size guidelines for JPEGs?

Oh, oh. You've made a typo. There are three Cs in NECCC. nospam is
a stickler for properly typed initialisms

Here I was thinking that it was the New England Cricket Club.

--
Regards,

Savageduck