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110 negatives
Hi,
Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A |
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On 28 Feb 2005 01:12:21 -0800, "
had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: Hi, Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. Any film scanner that does 35mm film can scan 110 film. You just have to make a mask that'll work in the 35mm film strip holder. Before I replaced my Canon FS2710, I just made a mask that blocked the area of the holder that the film didn't cover. I now use a Minolta Scan Multi with the MF glass carrier with a proper mask. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? It shouldn't affect it, since some film scanners can use a glass carrier to hold the film to scan it. Only problem is that you have four additional surfaces to keep clean. SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A -- |
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wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A I assume your goal is to end up with prints. Why not just put them in an enlarger and print them cenventionally? Depending on what type of enlarger negative carrier you have, you should be able to make up some sort of mask for the negs form card stock or mount board. Ken Hart |
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wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A I assume your goal is to end up with prints. Why not just put them in an enlarger and print them cenventionally? Depending on what type of enlarger negative carrier you have, you should be able to make up some sort of mask for the negs form card stock or mount board. Ken Hart |
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On 28 Feb 2005 01:12:21 -0800, "
had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out: Hi, Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. Any film scanner that does 35mm film can scan 110 film. You just have to make a mask that'll work in the 35mm film strip holder. Before I replaced my Canon FS2710, I just made a mask that blocked the area of the holder that the film didn't cover. I now use a Minolta Scan Multi with the MF glass carrier with a proper mask. Yes, I had thought about making a making a mask if the glass slide mounts were going to prove too problematic for a scanner. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? It shouldn't affect it, since some film scanners can use a glass carrier to hold the film to scan it. Only problem is that you have four additional surfaces to keep clean. That is good news that most scanners can accept glass slide mounts. The only scanner manual I have seen is for one of the Minolta Dimage Scanners, and it specifically mentioned that glass mounts were not recommended. Minolta's instructions made me wonder whether this was a general thing with scanners and glass lide mounts. SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A -- |
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My goal is art. Since photography is a hobby where I like exploring
different ways of producing output, I just like trying things out. I have access to a darkroom with a suitable enlarger, and even the minilab across from town will do reprints from 110, so there's no real problem getting prints. I am simply interested in exploiting these old negative images in various ways: decorative slide backdrops for family reunions, funky retro-family Christmas cards, you name it. These old images will never be good enough to give stunning results from a purely technical standpoint, but their real value will be found in using their content appropriately. From an efficiency standpoint, I would have to be mad to try undertaking solution 3b outlined in my original post, but who knows, it may give some really wierd and interesting results, or, it may be a complete dull mess, but I will never know unless I try. |
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I had already discovered your scan110.htm webpage from another post,
and I found the information given quite useful. Have you ever tried mounting 110 negatives in GEPE glass mounts and then photographing them with a good digital camera equipped with a slide copying attachment? Because, as I mentioned in my original post, it is feasible to buy a slide copying adaptor for a Nikon Coolpix camera for example: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ I cannot remember the exact dimensions of the image area of a 110 negative, but let's assume it is 13mm x 17mm. If this is the case then resulting scan with a 2400dpi scanner would give the following image resolution in megapixels: Image area: 13mm x 17mm = 0.512" x 0.669" Megapixels = ( 0.512 inches x 2400 dots / inch ) x ( 0.669 inches x 2400 dots / inch ) = 1229 dots x 1605 dots = 1972545 pixels = 1.97 Megapixels So even a relatively inexpensive digital camera could match that resolution. Yes, I know that scanners are better for capturing slides because of the dense blacks etcetera, but aren't C41 negatives less dense (dynamic range already compressed?). |
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AHix:
You were misinformed about the gepe slide mounts, and the scanner : Gepe has glassless mounts for 10 x 14, 12 x 17, and 110. The Smartscan 2700 does a great job with submini negs. you just have to make an index card film holder to fit inside the 35mm mount. Enjoy!! wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Having searched all over the newsgroups to no avail, I am asking for advice in the hope that I have chosen the right group. I have many 110 negatives (mostly C41), and I would like to be able to exploit the images found on these negatives. SOLUTION 1: I am thinking buying a digital film scanner like a secondhand Minolta Dimage II, but I have not been able to ascertain whether its negative tray is able to handle 110 negatives. If somebody on this group owns such a film scanner, I would appreciate confirmation of whether it can handle such a format before I invest. SOLUTION 2: I found that GEPE makes 110 slide mounts (Product ref: 6502, 13x17 Pocket-Instamatic Anti-Newton). Simple I thought, I will slide mount the negatives and proceed with a slide scanner. However, I have been told that slide scanners can only cope with glassless mounts, but the GEPE 6502's are glass mounts. Is it really true that slide scanners cannot cope with glass anti-Newton mounts? SOLUTION 3: So if I cannot scan the glass mounted negatives (from SOLUTION 2) with a slide scanner, I could photograph them? So I am thinking of buying a slide copier attachment for a camera (digital or analogue) so that I can capture these now GEPE mounted 110 negatives with a digital or analogue camera. I found such equipment at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/specialtyphotographic/ SOLUTION 3a - digital camera: I could use a digital camera to capture these negatives and away I go... SOLUTION 3b - analogue camera: Then I wondered what would happen if I used a slide copying attachment with my SLR to copy these negatives onto a 35mm slide film (like FUJI ASTIA) giving me E6 negatives? Logically, an E6 slide film should give a copy of the negative (complete with orange mask because that is what it 'sees') of the original 110 negative. This solution would give me enlarged 35mm negtives from the 110 negative originals. Would this work? Or am I missing something? Thanking you all in advance for your help, A |
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Al Doyle:
Excellent news about the glassless GEPE mounts for 110 format. I'll contact GEPE for the product reference number and re-post. |
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