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Old February 6th 10, 07:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Rich[_6_]
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Amusing, reading some of the nitwit comments about this camera on Dpreview
and pro sites.
So Hasselblad brings out an "entry level" 40 megapixel camera with a larger
than 35mm sensor and the FF shooters go insane, saying it's too expensive,
and doesn't make sense to bring out a medium format camera with a smaller
than standard sensor. They don't get it. The idea isn't to downgrade
current top medium format offerings, it is to convince some luddite 35mm FF
shooters to get out of their current, ancient mindset that says you have to
stick to 35mm that a fixed format like that makes any sense in this day and
age. We are no longer bound to film formats. That died with film. They
can now make digital sensors in any format, any size they like, it's just
up to those who buy them to use them. I think the real reason some of them
are upset is that they were unrealistically expecting something for around
$9-$10k, and it isn't happening. They'll have to wait for the Pentax (if
it ever comes out) or other digital medium format to be that cheap.

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...sselblad_H4D40
_DSLR_camera_update_news_294573.html
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Old February 6th 10, 07:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Rich wrote:
Amusing, reading some of the nitwit comments about this camera on Dpreview
and pro sites.
So Hasselblad brings out an "entry level" 40 megapixel camera with a larger
than 35mm sensor and the FF shooters go insane, saying it's too expensive,
and doesn't make sense to bring out a medium format camera with a smaller
than standard sensor.


Some people whine when it's too expensive. Some people whine when
it's too cheap. Some people whine when the sensor is too big. Some
whine when it's too small.

They don't get it.


No, "they" don't.

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Old February 6th 10, 04:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On 10-02-06 1:12 , Rich wrote:

some blather, snipped

The real nugget of interest in there was the contention that this 40
Mpix camera would be a threat to the Leica S2.

H4D-40: $20K (Incl. 80mm lens) 40 Mpix (44x33 [4:3]), No A-A.
($24K with a second lens, say a wide-angle 28mm f/4 or 100mm f/4 macro).

Leica S2: $23K (no lens), 37.5 Mpix (45x32mm [3:2]), No A-A.
($28K with a 70mm f/2.5 lens).

Other costs of ownership of the 'blad (esp. getting a set of Fujinon
lenses) would be cheaper than Leica.

For example, the Leica with one FFL lens: $28K.
the Hassy with three FFL lenses: $28K.

Hasselblad are going to eat Leica's cheese on this one - other than the
very well heeled shooter or pros with particular needs.

Certainly there is a lot to say for Leica's fine lenses, they are
probably better than the Fujinon's of the Hassy. But by enough to
matter to most pros who need to turn in work and manage a capital
budget? Hardly. (You can also adapt older V series Carl-Zeiss lenses
to the Hassy and these are in abundant supply).

As to sensor format, just grow up. It has never really mattered (other
than special cases like wide pano) and matters even less today other
than what is tied to lens output. That's what determines the marketing
decisions.

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Old February 6th 10, 04:52 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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"BD" wrote in message
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Amusing, reading some of the nitwit comments about this camera on
Dpreview
and pro sites.


Good god, does *nothing* make this whiner happy?

Rich has been like that ever since he found out his love doll was made from
plastic.


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Old February 6th 10, 05:37 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
John McWilliams
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CEO FSS wrote:
"BD" wrote in message
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Amusing, reading some of the nitwit comments about this camera on
Dpreview
and pro sites.

Good god, does *nothing* make this whiner happy?

Rich has been like that ever since he found out his love doll was made from
plastic.


Replies seem to be the currency of happiness- so we're all making Rich
happy.

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Old February 6th 10, 11:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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"Rich" wrote in message
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SNIP but about this part: "We are no longer bound to film formats. That
died with film."

Lenses and other important stuff live on.


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Old February 6th 10, 11:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On 10-02-06 17:21 , Charles wrote:
wrote in message
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SNIP but about this part: "We are no longer bound to film formats. That
died with film."

Lenses and other important stuff live on.


Rich is immune to both fact and common sense.

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