Samsung S760: battery life

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:44:45 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

I have not commented on the Canon A570 because I have no direct experience
of that camera. People can read the normal review sites. My friend has
an A630, which does take AA cells, but I don't think that to read the A630
performance into the A570 would be wise.

Wise or unwise, it has no bearing on whether you are able to judge
what I've said about the A570IS vs. what SMS has said. On the one
hand you have him repeatedly saying that the A570IS can only get
somewhere from 10 to 20 shots from new alkalines, and this isn't
based on his direct knowledge. It's what his 'female relative' told
him several months ago while traveling or on vacation with his
camera. If you're unable to judge whether this is a reasonable
assessment, even though it's an order of magnitude lower than what
Canon claims in the A570IS's manual, then it should be clear to
virtually anyone that knows that you're not an idiot (and you
aren't), that you have an ulterior motive for refusing to comment.
This isn't the first time that you've played that "I have no direct
experience" card, and for what appear to be similar reasons.

You may choose to not believe my results, but I've tested an A570
and after taking 328 shots (half using flash, half with the flash
disabled), but not using the LCD display as called for by the CIPA
test procedure, I stopped using the flash because the low battery
warning indicator was finally displayed. I continued, and when the
shot count reached 400, I started taking shots with the flash, but
now doing it the CIPA way, using the LCD display to frame the shots.
Even though the low battery warning icon was still being displayed,
and the battery voltage hadn't dropped to the point which would have
triggered the final "Change the batteries" warning message, I saw no
need to continue and put a fresh set of alkalines in the camera when
425 shots had been reached.


If you wish to make statements about Panasonic cameras that's up to you -
I can judge them in the light of my own experience.

Ok, here's one. Panasonic makes several compact P&S cameras that
use alkaline batteries. If anyone, whether you, SMS or someone
whose opinions I value highly ever make the claim that any of these
Panasonic cameras is unable to take more than 10 or 20 shots from a
fresh pair of alkaline AA cells, and doesn't also indicate that the
camera is defective, you bet I'll question that claim, as it would
NOT require direct knowledge to appear to be an absurd, completely
unreasonable claim. Your own experience isn't limited to cameras
that you have direct experience with. You also have read a wide
range of posts and replies about all sorts of cameras in newsgroups.
Other than defective cameras, I haven't heard any reports of cameras
produced by legitimate manufacturers that have such poor battery
performance, at least any manufactured within the last 6 or 7 years.
I could believe it possible from the really cheap, non-alkaline
so-called "heavy duty" AA cells one occasionally sees, but SMS
specifically stated that fresh alkalines were used. It could be
that his 'female relative' is completely clueless and *thought* that
she was using alkalines. At the time SMS posted his biased, bogus
message, even though I had no direct experience with the A570 IS at
that time, my general, real world experience with cameras indicated
that taking his claims at face value would probably be a serious
mistake. That you have no opinion or are not willing to share one
is telling. Are you familiar with the term "weasel words"?


Getting more shots from a set of cells is not a "drawback". I do hope the
OP is able to get a better answer from the Samsung documentation than I
was.

As he's stated that 150 'daytime' shots would meet his needs for
his one week holiday, I think that the Samsung S760 (which by at
least one report earned 'good battery life' marks) will meet the
OP's needs. If not, I can recommend a couple of inexpensive models
that when used for similar 'daytime' shots should be able to get
1,000 shots or more from a pair of non-rechargeable batteries.

By the way, the "exhausted" AA alkalines that I removed from the
A570IS after 425 shots were placed in a battery tester, and both
moved the needle well into the green "GOOD" area. So they'll
probably be able to power a small portable radio for several weeks,
or an LED light for several months. Not bad for a cheap pair (about
25 cents each) of generic Rite-Aid alkalines, which probably could
have taken two to three times the number of shots if the flash
wasn't used. Can you see that for some people's shooting styles (not
including me or thee) that rechargeables, whether NiMH or Li-Ion
represent overkill, adding unnecessary complexity and expense?

ASAAR wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:44:45 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

I have not commented on the Canon A570 because I have no direct
experience of that camera. People can read the normal review sites.
My friend has an A630, which does take AA cells, but I don't think
that to read the A630 performance into the A570 would be wise.

Wise or unwise, it has no bearing on whether you are able to judge
what I've said about the A570IS vs. what SMS has said. On the one
hand you have him repeatedly saying that the A570IS can only get
somewhere from 10 to 20 shots from new alkalines, and this isn't
based on his direct knowledge. It's what his 'female relative' told
him several months ago while traveling or on vacation with his
camera. If you're unable to judge whether this is a reasonable
assessment, even though it's an order of magnitude lower than what
Canon claims in the A570IS's manual, then it should be clear to
virtually anyone that knows that you're not an idiot (and you
aren't), that you have an ulterior motive for refusing to comment.
This isn't the first time that you've played that "I have no direct
experience" card, and for what appear to be similar reasons.

If you have a dispute with SMS please take it up with him. I have
certainly seen cameras which don't work well with alkaline cells, so I
have no immediate reason to disbelieve him.

You may choose to not believe my results, but I've tested an A570
and after taking 328 shots (half using flash, half with the flash
disabled), but not using the LCD display as called for by the CIPA
test procedure, I stopped using the flash because the low battery
warning indicator was finally displayed. I continued, and when the
shot count reached 400, I started taking shots with the flash, but
now doing it the CIPA way, using the LCD display to frame the shots.
Even though the low battery warning icon was still being displayed,
and the battery voltage hadn't dropped to the point which would have
triggered the final "Change the batteries" warning message, I saw no
need to continue and put a fresh set of alkalines in the camera when
425 shots had been reached.

I haven't said I don't believe your results!


If you wish to make statements about Panasonic cameras that's up to
you - I can judge them in the light of my own experience.

Ok, here's one. Panasonic makes several compact P&S cameras that
use alkaline batteries. If anyone, whether you, SMS or someone
whose opinions I value highly ever make the claim that any of these
Panasonic cameras is unable to take more than 10 or 20 shots from a
fresh pair of alkaline AA cells, and doesn't also indicate that the
camera is defective, you bet I'll question that claim, as it would
NOT require direct knowledge to appear to be an absurd, completely
unreasonable claim. Your own experience isn't limited to cameras
that you have direct experience with. You also have read a wide
range of posts and replies about all sorts of cameras in newsgroups.
Other than defective cameras, I haven't heard any reports of cameras
produced by legitimate manufacturers that have such poor battery
performance, at least any manufactured within the last 6 or 7 years.
I could believe it possible from the really cheap, non-alkaline
so-called "heavy duty" AA cells one occasionally sees, but SMS
specifically stated that fresh alkalines were used. It could be
that his 'female relative' is completely clueless and *thought* that
she was using alkalines. At the time SMS posted his biased, bogus
message, even though I had no direct experience with the A570 IS at
that time, my general, real world experience with cameras indicated
that taking his claims at face value would probably be a serious
mistake. That you have no opinion or are not willing to share one
is telling. Are you familiar with the term "weasel words"?

If you have dispute with SMS, please take it up directly.

Getting more shots from a set of cells is not a "drawback". I do
hope the OP is able to get a better answer from the Samsung
documentation than I was.

As he's stated that 150 'daytime' shots would meet his needs for
his one week holiday, I think that the Samsung S760 (which by at
least one report earned 'good battery life' marks) will meet the
OP's needs. If not, I can recommend a couple of inexpensive models
that when used for similar 'daytime' shots should be able to get
1,000 shots or more from a pair of non-rechargeable batteries.

By the way, the "exhausted" AA alkalines that I removed from the
A570IS after 425 shots were placed in a battery tester, and both
moved the needle well into the green "GOOD" area. So they'll
probably be able to power a small portable radio for several weeks,
or an LED light for several months. Not bad for a cheap pair (about
25 cents each) of generic Rite-Aid alkalines, which probably could
have taken two to three times the number of shots if the flash
wasn't used. Can you see that for some people's shooting styles (not
including me or thee) that rechargeables, whether NiMH or Li-Ion
represent overkill, adding unnecessary complexity and expense?

If alkalines suit someone, let them use them. I use alkalines, but like
you, not in cameras.

David

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:37:03 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

If you have a dispute with SMS please take it up with him. I have
certainly seen cameras which don't work well with alkaline cells, so I
have no immediate reason to disbelieve him.

Oh, now we're supposed to think that you've never seen any of his
dozens of messages stating that he sees none of mine? If you can't
see the difference between cameras not working well with alkalines
and cameras that can't take more than 10 or 20 shots, especially
when you have been told that this is at least an order of magnitude
than the manufacturer claims and what I've reported, then you're
giving everyone immediate reasons to disbelieve your reasons.


I haven't said I don't believe your results!

And yet you still maintain that you have no reason to disbelieve
SMS's repeated, hyperbolic claims. This is one of those cases
where, literally, you can't have it both ways. Even if you couldn't
state with 100% certainty that either of us is telling the truth,
just as you also can't state with 100% certainty that the sun will
rise tomorrow, it's very that you have more than a hunch what makes
sense and what doesn't. What will happen and what won't. It's
clear that you're going out of your way to avoid stating the
obvious.


If alkalines suit someone, let them use them. I use alkalines, but like
you, not in cameras.

Again, you're being oh, so reasonable. Here. Too often though,
you come across as a Li-Ion missionary, needing to spread the one
true gospel. BTW, update your database. When it comes to lights,
many use alkalines, but several use lithium (not Li-Ion) batteries.
But when it comes to DSLRs, I use Li-Ion batteries, although I do
have an as yet unused battery pack that will accept AA cells. For
my P&S cameras (many Fuji and Canon models, a Nikon, and even a
Panasonic), nary a Li-Ion battery pack in sight! I'll add one more
thing, and you can agree, disagree, ignore or try to puzzle out:
The more P&S cameras one owns and uses, the more it makes sense for
them to use AA cells instead of Li-Ion battery packs. Hint: The
reason has nothing to do with standardization or use in devices
other than cameras, which is another matter.

ASAAR wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:37:03 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

If you have a dispute with SMS please take it up with him. I have
certainly seen cameras which don't work well with alkaline cells, so
I have no immediate reason to disbelieve him.

Oh, now we're supposed to think that you've never seen any of his
dozens of messages stating that he sees none of mine? If you can't
see the difference between cameras not working well with alkalines
and cameras that can't take more than 10 or 20 shots, especially
when you have been told that this is at least an order of magnitude
than the manufacturer claims and what I've reported, then you're
giving everyone immediate reasons to disbelieve your reasons.


I haven't said I don't believe your results!

And yet you still maintain that you have no reason to disbelieve
SMS's repeated, hyperbolic claims. This is one of those cases
where, literally, you can't have it both ways. Even if you couldn't
state with 100% certainty that either of us is telling the truth,
just as you also can't state with 100% certainty that the sun will
rise tomorrow, it's very that you have more than a hunch what makes
sense and what doesn't. What will happen and what won't. It's
clear that you're going out of your way to avoid stating the
obvious.


If alkalines suit someone, let them use them. I use alkalines, but
like you, not in cameras.

Again, you're being oh, so reasonable. Here. Too often though,
you come across as a Li-Ion missionary, needing to spread the one
true gospel. BTW, update your database. When it comes to lights,
many use alkalines, but several use lithium (not Li-Ion) batteries.
But when it comes to DSLRs, I use Li-Ion batteries, although I do
have an as yet unused battery pack that will accept AA cells. For
my P&S cameras (many Fuji and Canon models, a Nikon, and even a
Panasonic), nary a Li-Ion battery pack in sight! I'll add one more
thing, and you can agree, disagree, ignore or try to puzzle out:
The more P&S cameras one owns and uses, the more it makes sense for
them to use AA cells instead of Li-Ion battery packs. Hint: The
reason has nothing to do with standardization or use in devices
other than cameras, which is another matter.

ASAAR,

Perhaps doesn't see your messages because he has filtered you from his
reader? I could understand why!

Your ideas about "Li-Ion missionary" are mistaken, I'm afraid, I simply
try and help people, as far as possible from my own direct experience,
which favours a single rectangular battery, and not multiple cylindrical
cells. No mention of the chemistry. I'll get back to you when there are
some direct technical facts to discuss.

David

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:01:49 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:

Perhaps doesn't see your messages because he has filtered you from his
reader? I could understand why!

I'm sure that you do. It makes it easier for him to avoid seeing
his mistakes pointed out and his nose rubbed in his lies. Sometimes
ignorance really is bliss, and I'm sure that you understand why.


Your ideas about "Li-Ion missionary" are mistaken, I'm afraid, I simply
try and help people, as far as possible from my own direct experience,
which favours a single rectangular battery, and not multiple cylindrical
cells. No mention of the chemistry.

Yes, you try to help people to accept and share your biases.
Sometimes you really are helpful, but I'm afraid that sometimes in
your missionary zeal you try to convince people that their stated
preferences should be reconsidered when they don't match your own.


I'll get back to you when there are some direct technical facts to discuss.

Which by an incredible coincidence, assuming that you'll continue
to avoid purchasing cameras that use AA batteries, will be *never*,
since you often use your "I don't have direct knowledge of ... so I
can't (or won't) discuss ..." as a convenient escape hatch that
allows you to ignore facts that puncture your sometimes preposterous
premises. That's quite a talent you have. If you ever decide to
move to the USA, you'd be well qualified for a position that
requires evasiveness, such as White House Press Secretary. If that
doesn't appeal, maybe there's a Minister of Disinformation vacancy
somewhere. And you wonder why your honesty is questioned? At least
it bothers you, which indicates the possibility that you have a
conscience, unlike some other Li-Ion zealot we know, otherwise you
could simply have said "I don't care to discuss this." or not
replied. Were you a fan of "Keeping Up Appearances"?

ASAAR wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:01:49 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:
[]
I'll get back to you when there are some direct technical facts to
discuss.

Which by an incredible coincidence, assuming that you'll continue
to avoid purchasing cameras that use AA batteries, will be *never*,
since you often use your "I don't have direct knowledge of ... so I
can't (or won't) discuss ..." as a convenient escape hatch that
allows you to ignore facts that puncture your sometimes preposterous
premises. That's quite a talent you have. If you ever decide to
move to the USA, you'd be well qualified for a position that
requires evasiveness, such as White House Press Secretary. If that
doesn't appeal, maybe there's a Minister of Disinformation vacancy
somewhere. And you wonder why your honesty is questioned? At least
it bothers you, which indicates the possibility that you have a
conscience, unlike some other Li-Ion zealot we know, otherwise you
could simply have said "I don't care to discuss this." or not
replied. Were you a fan of "Keeping Up Appearances"?

I see nothing technical to discuss here.

[Please rest assured that I have, like many people, no desire to even set
foot in the USA today, although I used to, and have visited both coasts in
the past.]

David