If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR
to date” http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highestimage quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
In article , David Taylor wrote:
Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date" http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. -- Sandman[.net] |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
On 2014-06-26 20:23:14 +0000, Sandman said:
In article , David Taylor wrote: Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date" http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
Sandman wrote:
In article , David Taylor wrote: Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date" http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter. If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing, but not good engineering), this camera should beat the D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as the D800E does, but not having the filter at all. I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. It is clearly an open debate on what "has the resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has a broader noise distribution because aliasing products are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of aliasing extending well below Nyquist. Resolution is the same either way. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date"
On 2014-06-26 23:24:24 +0000, RichA said:
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, David Taylor wrote: Nikon D810 hands-on review: �The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date� http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...image-quality- in-a-nikon-dslr-to-date Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems "Please buy this warm-over, Nikon needs the money!" Please ignore this Canadian hack. He can do without the attention. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
In article 2014062613392545159-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810. the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to keep the autofocus compatible with the d800. since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design constraint. Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S. they will get a lot of features by upgrading. whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some people it will be and for others it will not. here's a comparison: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81 0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf the differences include: expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle, spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus, higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote: Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter. If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing, but not good engineering), this camera should beat the D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as the D800E does, but not having the filter at all. I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. It is clearly an open debate on what "has the resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has a broader noise distribution because aliasing products are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of aliasing extending well below Nyquist. Resolution is the same either way. the number of pixels is the same either way, but that is *not* the same as resolution. the resolution of the two cameras will be different since one has an anti-alias filter attenuating high spatial detail and the other does not. whether that's noticeable or not is questionable. the differences are generally minor and likely not all that noticeable without pixel peeping and/or knowing what to look for. typically, other factors will eliminate any difference, such as focus errors, camera shake, etc. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
On 2014-06-27 01:07:29 +0000, nospam said:
In article 2014062613392545159-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810. the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to keep the autofocus compatible with the d800. since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design constraint. Check your attributes. Here you were replying to Sandman, not me. In your snipping fervor you managed to wipe out the attributes for the OP & Sandman. Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S. they will get a lot of features by upgrading. What is a lot? In actual fact there are not too many new features which will really matter to a current D800/D800E owner. They might well push a D4 owner into a second body, or a D700 owner to make the upgrade move. I don't really see it as a target for impatient D300S given the price point, and the fact the sRAW format is 9MP. It would be nicer to see that at 12-16MP. whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some people it will be and for others it will not. Yup! here's a comparison: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81 0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf the differences include: expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle, spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus, higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain. ....but nothing to push the current D800/D800E owners over the edge. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
In article 2014062618352740413-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810. the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to keep the autofocus compatible with the d800. since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design constraint. Check your attributes. Here you were replying to Sandman, not me. In your snipping fervor you managed to wipe out the attributes for the OP & Sandman. i was replying to both what he said and what you said rather than two separate posts. the versus is a clue as to who said what. Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S. they will get a lot of features by upgrading. What is a lot? the list below is a lot. five lines of stuff! In actual fact there are not too many new features which will really matter to a current D800/D800E owner. They might well push a D4 owner into a second body, or a D700 owner to make the upgrade move. I don't really see it as a target for impatient D300S given the price point, and the fact the sRAW format is 9MP. It would be nicer to see that at 12-16MP. it might matter and it might not. that's for each person to decide. whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some people it will be and for others it will not. Yup! here's a comparison: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81 0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf the differences include: expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle, spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus, higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain. ...but nothing to push the current D800/D800E owners over the edge. you speak for all d800 owners? the electronic first curtain by itself is enough to push many people over the edge, since it's something canon has had for a decade or so and *extremely* useful. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to dateâ€
nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote: Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right? It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter. If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing, but not good engineering), this camera should beat the D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as the D800E does, but not having the filter at all. I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the resolution. It is clearly an open debate on what "has the resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has a broader noise distribution because aliasing products are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of aliasing extending well below Nyquist. Resolution is the same either way. the number of pixels is the same either way, but that is *not* the same as resolution. the resolution of the two cameras will be different since one has an anti-alias filter attenuating high spatial detail and the other does not. whether that's noticeable or not is questionable. The anti-alias filter on a D800 does not attenuate high spatial detail enough to affect resolution. (Proof of that is the fact that on occasion moire effects can be seen in images shot with the D800.) Both the D800 and the D800E have resolution limited by the sampling frequency, not by the filtering. the differences are generally minor and likely not all that noticeable without pixel peeping and/or knowing what to look for. typically, other factors will eliminate any difference, such as focus errors, camera shake, etc. Even if one knows exactly what to look for, it isn't something that pixel peeping makes visibly distinct. All that changes is the type of noise and its distribution in the frequency spectrum. That does not change resolution unless it is rather extreme, which is not the case with these cameras. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
CHEAP Full-frame 24.5MP Nikon DSLR - Due Date | ASAAR | 35mm Photo Equipment | 0 | January 9th 09 07:16 PM |
CHEAP Full-frame 24.5MP Nikon DSLR - Due Date | Noons | Digital SLR Cameras | 0 | December 30th 08 10:48 AM |
Nikon D3 now the pinnacle of DSLR image quality | RichA | Digital SLR Cameras | 79 | December 14th 07 11:00 PM |
NIKON Coolpix - Changing image date | Mikey-UK | Digital Photography | 4 | July 14th 07 11:57 AM |