Nikon D70 issues/questions Vs. Canon

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William Graham wrote:
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DD (Rox) wrote:
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:35:26 -0700, Bill Funk wrote:

You're the big mouth who said he can shoot handheld with an SLR
at 1/8 sec (which we now learn is via IS), so go and shoot a
performer under low lights with it. Remember to shoot wide open
and lets see how your shots compare to those taken with a Leica
M.

Ok, now I'm interested.
How is 1/8 sec. different in a Leica M?
Why did you feel it necessary to add the "wide open" bit?
I thought 1/8 sec. would be the same no matter what camera was
used.

I think the point about 1/8 sec. is that SLRs have to contend
with mirror flap, which has little adverse effect at very long and
very short shutter speeds. So at 1/8 sec. you might assume as
slight advantage for rangefinder cameras. All of 'em, not just
Leicas. I have a good idea why "wide open" was added, but I'll
yeild the floor and let the next guy in line provide an
explanation.

Leitz lenses are designed to be extremely sharp when shot wide open.
The same can't be said for a lot of Japanese lenses.

What has that got to do with shutter speed?
-Nothing whatsoever.


Well, if you are going to shoot pictures in dim light, like at a
ballet, or an opera, the faster your lens is wide open the better,
and the more silent your camera is, the better. Leica M's are
probably the best tool you can get for this kind of work....I was
thinking about how I could do this with my F5.....I could lock up the
mirror, and use a hotshoe mounted rangefinder, but I would have a
problem with the motor drive....I could put it on multiple exposure
mode, but after each photo I took, I would have to excuse myself, go
out to the lobby to the men's room, and take it off of multiple
exposure mode, and take a picture of the inside of my lens cap in
manual mode in order to get the film to advance, and then put it back
in multiple exposure mode and go back to my seat....All in all, I
think I would be much better off trading it in for the Leica M....:^)

All well and good, except that the discussion is about capturing sharp
images at slow shutter speeds hand-held...not whether a camera is noisy.
Besides...Dallas is in the habit of shooting images of sweaty, loud
musicians in night clubs, and other very noisy settings...

Maybe he should use a Nikonos........

"DD (Rox)" wrote in message
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Well, if you are going to shoot pictures in dim light, like at a ballet,
or
an opera, the faster your lens is wide open the better, and the more
silent
your camera is, the better. Leica M's are probably the best tool you can
get
for this kind of work....I was thinking about how I could do this with my
F5.....I could lock up the mirror, and use a hotshoe mounted rangefinder,
but I would have a problem with the motor drive....I could put it on
multiple exposure mode, but after each photo I took, I would have to
excuse
myself, go out to the lobby to the men's room, and take it off of
multiple
exposure mode, and take a picture of the inside of my lens cap in manual
mode in order to get the film to advance, and then put it back in
multiple
exposure mode and go back to my seat....All in all, I think I would be
much
better off trading it in for the Leica M....:^)

You'd lose a lot of money. The price of film cameras is in free-fall at
the moment and it's great if you are a collector like me, but if you
spent a lot of money on your F5 you'll not get a lot back.

Leica M's are wonderful, but some of the neanderthals around here are
too pig-headed to accept that a camera exists that can do something
their "do-all" Canon's can't do.

Yes....Many years ago I had a IIIf. It was a great camera. I will pick up a
late model M one of these days, and maybe a fast 90mm lens to go with
it......

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DD (Rox) wrote:
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These are shots that I simply would not have been able to get with a
Leica, even if I could have held the camera steady the people were
moving too much for slow shutter speeds.

Here's where we have to disagree. A rangefinder of the calibre of a
Leica will surprise you with its ability to render sharp images in very
little light,

Is that because it makes the people pause for half a second, before pointing
and laughing at your fashion-victimhood, giving you a brief moment when they
stand still in order to take thge picture?

Are you ****ing with me?

Hardly - if you're going to insist on your apparent position that your Leica
has some sort of mystical ability to stop subject motion at 1/8 then you're
really making your own bed.

If so you're being an asshole who can't tell
the beginning of a discussion from the end. For the record, this is the
end of it.

See you then. Enjoy your collection.

DD (Rox) wrote:

For the record, this is
the end of it.

Smart move.

In article 18U7f.3481$UF4.3013@fed1read02, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest
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DD (Rox) wrote:

For the record, this is
the end of it.

Smart move.

Sadly, it isn't the end. He'll make equally stupid comments sooner than
later, unfortunately.
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Brian Baird wrote:
In article 18U7f.3481$UF4.3013@fed1read02, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest
even number says...
DD (Rox) wrote:

For the record, this is
the end of it.

Smart move.

Sadly, it isn't the end. He'll make equally stupid comments sooner
than later, unfortunately.

There was/is a preacher I always liked listening to who had a line I found
amusing/interesting.
It went something like this:

"God can do a lot with sin...
....but what can he do with stupidity??"

(-Always followed by chuckles from the congregation, since we all knew
EXACTLY the kind of stuff he was talking about!)

-Not saying you're stupid, Dallas, but you've definitely been saying some
things that fall into that category. We all say stupid things from time to
time, it's just that some tend to make a habit of it.

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Yes....Many years ago I had a IIIf. It was a great camera. I will pick up a
late model M one of these days, and maybe a fast 90mm lens to go with
it......

The big bargains seem to be coming in the form of M2's or M4's these
days.

When I swapped my 17-35mm for an M6 (remember the one that had a faulty
meter?) I was quite disappointed with the viewfinder compared to that of
the M3. The focussing patch on the M3 never flares, but the first time I
looked through the finder on the M6 I encountered the flare problem.

Having said that, it was a joy to use anyway, even with its faulty
meter. I did manage to swap a mint 24mm f/2.8 Nikkor for the 90mm f/2.8
Elmar(it? - I can never remember those Leica lens designations) that the
M6 came with once we sent everything back to one another. Very nice
lens.

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DD (everything is temporary)
www.dallasdahms.com

In article KAU7f.3483$UF4.3060@fed1read02, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest
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There was/is a preacher I always liked listening to who had a line I found
amusing/interesting.
It went something like this:

"God can do a lot with sin...
...but what can he do with stupidity??"

(-Always followed by chuckles from the congregation, since we all knew
EXACTLY the kind of stuff he was talking about!)

-Not saying you're stupid, Dallas, but you've definitely been saying some
things that fall into that category. We all say stupid things from time to
time, it's just that some tend to make a habit of it.

Trouble with you and some of your brethren, Mark, is that you have
reading comprehension problems. You read things that are not there, make
comments that are derived from some sort of convoluted "understanding"
of the conversation, then you stomp your feet, point your finger and act
in a way that reminds me a lot of the group mentality of unsupervised
children on a playground.

See ya.

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DD (everything is temporary)
www.dallasdahms.com

"DD (Rox)" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

Yes....Many years ago I had a IIIf. It was a great camera. I will pick up
a
late model M one of these days, and maybe a fast 90mm lens to go with
it......

The big bargains seem to be coming in the form of M2's or M4's these
days.

When I swapped my 17-35mm for an M6 (remember the one that had a faulty
meter?) I was quite disappointed with the viewfinder compared to that of
the M3. The focussing patch on the M3 never flares, but the first time I
looked through the finder on the M6 I encountered the flare problem.

Having said that, it was a joy to use anyway, even with its faulty
meter. I did manage to swap a mint 24mm f/2.8 Nikkor for the 90mm f/2.8
Elmar(it? - I can never remember those Leica lens designations) that the
M6 came with once we sent everything back to one another. Very nice
lens.

Well, my IIIf didn't have a meter, and it was never a problem to me. But
then, in those days (the late 50's) I only shot B&W, and you could correct
for almost anything in the darkroom. Today, shooting color slides, I suspect
that I would have to use a hand held meter were I to use a manual camera.

In article ,
says...
When I swapped my 17-35mm for an M6 (remember the one that had a faulty
meter?) I was quite disappointed with the viewfinder compared to that of
the M3. The focussing patch on the M3 never flares, but the first time I
looked through the finder on the M6 I encountered the flare problem.

Having said that, it was a joy to use anyway, even with its faulty
meter. I did manage to swap a mint 24mm f/2.8 Nikkor for the 90mm f/2.8
Elmar(it? - I can never remember those Leica lens designations) that the
M6 came with once we sent everything back to one another. Very nice
lens.

Well, my IIIf didn't have a meter, and it was never a problem to me. But
then, in those days (the late 50's) I only shot B&W, and you could correct
for almost anything in the darkroom. Today, shooting color slides, I suspect
that I would have to use a hand held meter were I to use a manual camera.

You'll find the M series have much better finders than the LTM's. I
haven't shot any slides with my M3 (yet!), but will probably do so at
some point.............when this annus horribilus comes to an end and I
can go on my annual shutdown).

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