The Photoshop Family

In article , Tony Cooper wrote:

Sandman:
Also, I would advice against putting quotation marks around a
phrase and claiming it was said by someone when it wasn't.
Quotation marks should only be used when the quote is verbatim.

That may be what you advice [sic], but there are other uses for
quotation marks.

I am not discussing other uses for quotations marks, troll.

Sandman:
Nospam never said the above. He said something similar, yes, and
probably with the same intent and meaning, but quotation marks
means it's a quote, which this wasn't.

The exchange was, in its entirety:

(Polly) "I don't know anything about Photoshop (except that I can't
afford it!)."

(nospam) "you can't afford $50, yet you can afford a digital camera
and a computer?"

More than just "similar".

No.

A rather hypocritical claim from someone who complains about "syntax
trolls".

You make lots of hypocritical claims.

If you feel the need to "teach" (scare quotes) us something here,
try to choose a subject you understand; not English usage.

Ironic, coming from the groups second biggest illiterate.


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Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

the fact that some people *assume* the pro version when they hear
one word is of their own doing.

Nope. It's Adobe's doing. They still call the pro version
'Photoshop'.

Incorrect.

Sandman:
As is your right. You may refer to it in whatever you wish, no
one can tell you otherwise. In the same note - nospam may have
*always* refered to Photoshop Elements as Photoshop for all we
know, and this was just one of those times. There is nothing
from Adobe or even logic that says that either position is
"correct".

Umm - there is. Look at the terminology used under the heading of
'Products' on http://www.adobe.com/nz/products/catalog.html

"Photoshop CC".

Sandman:
I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it as
Photoshop, as well they should. It's like saying they shouldn't
call their iPod nano an iPod since what "most" people consider
to be the iPod is the iPod Classic.

nospam:
good analogy.

Not really. They started calling the original iPod the iPod Classic
from about the time the iPod Mini came out. They clearly wanted to
differentiate the two products.

That was the point, Einstein.

In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original
Photoshop.

Which was also renamed to Photoshop CSX and now Photoshop CC.

nospam:
originally it was called ipod, then after they filled out the
lineup, they renamed it to ipod classic.

Not "after they filled out the lineup". When they statred filling
out the lineup. Go look at the history.

You're wrong, as always.

The iPod Classic was called "iPod" up until the *sixth* generation, i.e.
from 2001 all through 2007. In the interrim, Apple released the iPod mini,
iPod Nano and the iPod shuffle.




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Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

Sandman:
I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it
as Photoshop, as well they should. It's like saying they
shouldn't call their iPod nano an iPod since what "most"
people consider to be the iPod is the iPod Classic.

nospam:
good analogy.

Eric Stevens:
Not really. They started calling the original iPod the iPod
Classic from about the time the iPod Mini came out. They clearly
wanted to differentiate the two products.

nospam:
nope.

the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano
in 2007, long after the mini came and went.

The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th
2007. THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini
and the introduction of the third generation nano.

I.e. contrary to your claim above that "they started calling in the
original iPod the iPod Classic from about the time the iPod Mini came out".
This was 100% false.

Eric Stevens:
In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of
Photoshop 'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the
original Photoshop.

nospam:
which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
product.

One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.

One is Photoshop CC, one is Photoshop Elements.

that was well after the mini came and went and after the lineup
had been filled.

The line up was later filled with all sorts of models.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Cl...ze_iPod_models
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Na...ct_iPod_models

Solid proof that you roriginal claim was 100% incorrect.



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Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it as Photoshop,
as well they should. It's like saying they shouldn't call their iPod nano
an iPod since what "most" people consider to be the iPod is the iPod
Classic.

good analogy.

Not really. They started calling the original iPod the iPod Classic
from about the time the iPod Mini came out. They clearly wanted to
differentiate the two products.

nope.

the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano in
2007, long after the mini came and went.

The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th 2007.

that's exactly what i said.

THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini and the
introduction of the third generation nano.

completely wrong.

the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005, *replaced* by the ipod nano.

this move surprised many people because they foolishly wondered why a
company would cancel their most successful ipod at the peak of its
success. the answer of course, is because they had something better.

the 2nd gen nano was introduced a year later in 2006, followed by the
3rd gen in 2007, as i said above.

but that just reinforces my point. they're still ipods. the mini was
just a physically smaller version and the nano even more so.

which one you have is a function of how much you want to spend, what
physical size device you want and how much capacity it has, as well as
what features you want.

In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original Photoshop.

which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
product.

One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.

in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features and
a lower price.

originally it was called ipod, then after they filled out the lineup,
they renamed it to ipod classic.

Not "after they filled out the lineup". When they statred filling out
the lineup. Go look at the history.

if only you would do so first.

the ipod classic was the 6th gen ipod, in september, 2007.

that was well after the mini came and went and after the lineup had
been filled.

The line up was later filled with all sorts of models.

the line up was complete when they changed it from 'ipod' to 'ipod
classic', and the lineup remains the same today as it did then, which
includes the ipod shuffle, ipod nano, ipod touch and ipod classic.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Cl...ze_iPod_models
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Na...ct_iPod_models

that confirms what i said.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

when adobe says 'photoshop' they mean any of a number of products.

No they don't.

yes they most certainly do, those that have photoshop in the name.

i have photoshop on my ipad.

Really,

really.

i don't use it all that much though, but it's there.

then I just brought a Maclacren F1, well last night anyway it was on
offer 20% off. I should take delievery at about 10pm tonight it's a nice blue
colour too.

if you say so.

just don't drink and drive.

is it cs6? nope. is it elements? nope.

anyone with a clue would know it's either photoshop express or
photoshop touch.

So not photoshop.

if it's not photoshop, then why did adobe call it photoshop?

it's a tablet version, but it's still photoshop.

however, it's still photoshop.

No it isn't, otherwise people like yourself would get confused and try to
install it on their tablet device, and adobe would so NO you need photoshop
touch which is not the same product.

it's a version of photoshop for tablets. it's still photoshop.

the fact that some people *assume* the pro version when they hear one
word is of their own doing.

it's a version of photoshop (to satisfy the nitpickers).

and each version is differnt just like most cars have 4 wheels one at each
corner that does not make every car then same.

i didn't say every app is the same.

I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it as Photoshop,
as well they should. It's like saying they shouldn't call their iPod nano
an iPod since what "most" people consider to be the iPod is the iPod
Classic.

good analogy.

Not really. Most peole consider an ipod to be an ipod touch as that's the
lasted product,

the ipod nano, shuffle and classic are still current products, however,
none are selling particularly well anymore, including the touch.

the first ipod wasn't even called a classic and it wasnt
touch either it was a click wheel.

but it's still an ipod.

originally it was called ipod, then after they filled out the lineup,
they renamed it to ipod classic.

Yes so do you realyl think that everyone thinks the majority of peole that
say they have an ipod are refering to this particular iPod ?

no, which is the whole point i'm making.

photoshop is a group of apps, not one specific app.

in fact, the name ipod is often mistakenly used to describe *competing*
mp3 players.

Some even use the term photshopped.

adobe despises that, and for good reason.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:58:24 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it as Photoshop,
as well they should. It's like saying they shouldn't call their iPod nano
an iPod since what "most" people consider to be the iPod is the iPod
Classic.

good analogy.

Not really. They started calling the original iPod the iPod Classic
from about the time the iPod Mini came out. They clearly wanted to
differentiate the two products.

nope.

the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano in
2007, long after the mini came and went.

The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th 2007.

that's exactly what i said.

THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini and the
introduction of the third generation nano.

completely wrong.

Not according to the information I posted.

the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005, *replaced* by the ipod nano.

this move surprised many people because they foolishly wondered why a
company would cancel their most successful ipod at the peak of its
success. the answer of course, is because they had something better.

the 2nd gen nano was introduced a year later in 2006, followed by the
3rd gen in 2007, as i said above.

I'm not going to get into an argument about iPods.

but that just reinforces my point. they're still ipods. the mini was
just a physically smaller version and the nano even more so.

which one you have is a function of how much you want to spend, what
physical size device you want and how much capacity it has, as well as
what features you want.

In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original Photoshop.

which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
product.

One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.

in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features and
a lower price.

They are NOT both Photoshop. According to Adobe, they are not even
both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of the
Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the Elements
family. I've already posted that information.

--- snip ipod ---
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

nospam:
in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features
and a lower price.

They are NOT both Photoshop. According to Adobe, they are not even
both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of
the Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the
Elements family. I've already posted that information.

Must suck to always be wrong like you.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily.html



--
Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano in
2007, long after the mini came and went.

The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th 2007.

that's exactly what i said.

THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini and the
introduction of the third generation nano.

completely wrong.

Not according to the information I posted.

where exactly did your information say the ipod mini was discontinued 2
years after it was actually discontinued?

this ought to be good.

also, not only was the ipod classic introduced on the *same* day as the
third gen nano, but it was the very *same* presentation. there was no
two day difference.

the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005, *replaced* by the ipod nano.

this move surprised many people because they foolishly wondered why a
company would cancel their most successful ipod at the peak of its
success. the answer of course, is because they had something better.

the 2nd gen nano was introduced a year later in 2006, followed by the
3rd gen in 2007, as i said above.

I'm not going to get into an argument about iPods.

wise choice.

In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original Photoshop.

which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
product.

One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.

in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features and
a lower price.

They are NOT both Photoshop.

yet they both have photoshop in their names.

According to Adobe, they are not even
both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of the
Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the Elements
family. I've already posted that information.

how did you arrive at that conclusion?

because this is what adobe says:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily.html

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:28:50 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano in
2007, long after the mini came and went.

The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th 2007.

that's exactly what i said.

THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini and the
introduction of the third generation nano.

completely wrong.

Not according to the information I posted.

where exactly did your information say the ipod mini was discontinued 2
years after it was actually discontinued?

this ought to be good.

also, not only was the ipod classic introduced on the *same* day as the
third gen nano, but it was the very *same* presentation. there was no
two day difference.

the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005, *replaced* by the ipod nano.

this move surprised many people because they foolishly wondered why a
company would cancel their most successful ipod at the peak of its
success. the answer of course, is because they had something better.

the 2nd gen nano was introduced a year later in 2006, followed by the
3rd gen in 2007, as i said above.

I'm not going to get into an argument about iPods.

wise choice.

In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original Photoshop.

which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
product.

One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.

in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features and
a lower price.

They are NOT both Photoshop.

yet they both have photoshop in their names.

According to Adobe, they are not even
both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of the
Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the Elements
family. I've already posted that information.

how did you arrive at that conclusion?

It's at the bottom LH corner to which you have posted the URL below.

because this is what adobe says:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily.html

See detail
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...p%20Family.psd
Go exploring inside for further information.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They are NOT both Photoshop.

yet they both have photoshop in their names.

According to Adobe, they are not even
both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of the
Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the Elements
family. I've already posted that information.

how did you arrive at that conclusion?

It's at the bottom LH corner to which you have posted the URL below.

because this is what adobe says:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily.html

See detail
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...p%20Family.psd
Go exploring inside for further information.

you are seeing what you want to see.

the url clearly states:
The Adobe Photoshop family of products gives you everything you need
to bring out the best in your digital images, transform them into
anything you can imagine, and showcase them in extraordinary ways.

and then lists the members of the family: photoshop, lightroom (whose
official name is adobe photoshop lightroom, but nobody actually calls
it that) and photoshop elements, as well as photoshop touch for mobile.

they are all part of the photoshop family.

adobe *also* chooses to have an overlapping category for photoshop and
premiere elements. that does not in any way void the former.