A Photography forum. PhotoBanter.com

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PhotoBanter.com forum » Digital Photography » Digital Photography
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Question for you Apple crazies



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old June 15th 18, 05:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default Question for you Apple crazies

In article , Bill W
wrote:



All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I
really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a
discount on one of those can be very meaningful.


get as much memory as you can afford, and unless you're doing something
*very* memory intensive, 32 gig is overkill. keep in mind that the ssd
is *fast* so there is very little impact if the system has to page.

as for ssd, do you really need *everything* on an internal drive? you
could use your existing windows box as a server.
  #32  
Old June 15th 18, 06:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,692
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:23 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:


Thanks. I'll have to do some research on those keyboards.


go to an apple store and see how they feel.

the new butterfly keyboard has less travel than the older keyboard,
which some people prefer and others definitely do not.

the second generation keyboard ('17 models) has slightly more travel
than the first gen.

the problem is the new keyboard was designed to minimize dirt ingress,
which it does do. however, that doesn't mean impossible, and if dirt
does get in, it's also harder for it to get out, thus the higher
incidence of failure.

other keyboards are not immune to dirt ingress either, including the
older macbook keyboards as well as keyboards on pc laptops and
desktops.

flip whatever keyboard you're currently using upside-down and shake it
a bit.


All good to know, and more to keep in mind when I go look.
  #33  
Old June 15th 18, 06:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,692
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer
since the Lisa(?) many years ago.


yikes. that's 35 years ago.

And when I shop, I don't even glance
at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in
somewhere and actually look at one of these things...


yep.

go to an apple store and they'll answer questions you never thought to
ask, or if you prefer, they'll leave you alone to play for an hour or
three.

feel free to bring a usb stick or even a portable hard drive with some
photos, videos or whatever else.


Do they ever have LR or PS installed on the display models?
  #34  
Old June 15th 18, 06:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,692
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:25 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:



All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I
really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a
discount on one of those can be very meaningful.


get as much memory as you can afford, and unless you're doing something
*very* memory intensive, 32 gig is overkill. keep in mind that the ssd
is *fast* so there is very little impact if the system has to page.

as for ssd, do you really need *everything* on an internal drive? you
could use your existing windows box as a server.


And a portable thingy for the road. Relegating this Windows box to
server status has crossed my mind.
  #35  
Old June 15th 18, 06:20 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 24,165
Default Question for you Apple crazies

In article , Bill W
wrote:


go to an apple store and they'll answer questions you never thought to
ask, or if you prefer, they'll leave you alone to play for an hour or
three.

feel free to bring a usb stick or even a portable hard drive with some
photos, videos or whatever else.


Do they ever have LR or PS installed on the display models?


i'm pretty sure they have the entire adobe suite, along with a *lot*
more.

if not, download and install a demo.

every system is re-imaged overnight to clear the stuff people do...

didn't you say you do audio? this will be among the apps installed,
given that it's from apple:
https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/
  #36  
Old June 15th 18, 08:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
John McWilliams
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 6,945
Default Question for you Apple crazies


On 6/14/18 PDT 8:29 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 6/14/2018 3:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:.

...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny. With
your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals.
The way you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting.


You are right on. I intentionally used the term to mean what you
suggest. I have little patience for people who continually refuse to
admit that any product is suitable for all people.

No product is suitable for all people! Did you really mean to say that?

You've been asked to stop with gratuitous insults. Especially targeted
ones. A very reasonable request.
  #37  
Old June 15th 18, 09:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 16,487
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On Jun 15, 2018, John McWilliams wrote
(in article ):


On 6/14/18 PDT 8:29 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 6/14/2018 3:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:.

...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny.
With your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals.
The way you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting.


You are right on. I intentionally used the term to mean what you
suggest. I have little patience for people who continually refuse to
admit that any product is suitable for all people.

No product is suitable for all people! Did you really mean to say that?

You've been asked to stop with gratuitous insults. Especially targeted
ones. A very reasonable request.


I would have thought Peter would have grasped that much.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #38  
Old June 17th 18, 02:23 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,161
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On 6/15/2018 12:11 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:48:17 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Jun 13, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ):

My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about
half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I
might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some
questions:

Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?

I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back
can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a
great retina display? And how far back to get great performance,
something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio
editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high
quality display?


You could go back as far as 2010 to be able to dual boot into Windows, and
still run the latest macOS. However, that is pushing the envelope with regard
to future macOS upgrades.

I suggest you explore OWC as they have later models which they can custom
configure. They have a solid return policy, and offer great service. You are
only limited by your budget.

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Apple_Systems/Used/Macs_and_Tablets

Since you are considering a MacBook Pro the configuration and CPU are going
to determine price. For example here is a mid 2014 15” with 16GB memory, a
quad core i7, and 1 TB SSD for $1999. You do know Macs hold their value?

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Apple/PD2HS62XXXXXC/

Otherwise go straight to Apple and buy new:

https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch

...and this might be a good starting point for new, with some custom
configuration if you need it.

https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/s...y-mac/macbook-
pro?product=MJLQ2LL/A&step=config#


I think I misled a bit - although I would consider a used unit, new is
my preference right now.

I think I'm going to put this off for a bit, since the new ones are
coming out soon. I had a specific reason for grabbing one right away,
but it's not that important. my current laptop is still usable. In
fact, after I get settled in my new town, I might consider getting a
desktop instead.

There were a lot of replies to this thread, so I did get plenty of
useful info. I had no idea that Apple products were reduced at times.
One funny this is that an Apple desktop is the first computer I ever
touched many years ago, and I have never touched one since. It has
nothing to do with my first experience with them, it's just that once
you start on a platform, in my case Windows, you are likely to just
stick with it. And I did. Getting an Apple is like my reward for
suffering through Windows all these years.


i have used Photoshop on both Apple and PC desktops with similar specs,
and did not notice any substantial usability or performance difference.



--
PeterN
  #39  
Old June 17th 18, 02:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,161
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On 6/15/2018 12:14 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:05:25 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 6/13/2018 10:08 PM, Bill W wrote:
My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about
half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I
might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some
questions:

Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best
price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed?

I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back
can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a
great retina display? And how far back to get great performance,
something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio
editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high
quality display?


That is a fine machine. Whether you are getting one depends upon what
you plan to use it for. One of my reasons for not getting one, is that I
do not like a glossy screen. I find that I do not get the tonality in
the darker areas with a glossy screen, that I get with a matte screen.
If you plan to use it just for family type, or event pictures, it will
be fine. Based on my experience with the iPhone, and iPad, Apple service
has been satisfactory. The techies seem to know what they are doing. I
can't say about dual boot on the portable, but I'm sure that you will
get an honest and knowledgeable answer from Apple. As for price, some of
the big box stores sell either reconditioned, or out of the box
machines. I don't know about Apple. However, based upon my on experience
I would only purchase an Apple product directly from Apple. But that's
the conservative purchaser in me.


Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer
since the Lisa(?) many years ago. And when I shop, I don't even glance
at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in
somewhere and actually look at one of these things...


As I stated above, while i personally do not like the Apple notebooks,
for the reasons stated, assuming similar specs, i don't think there is
any substantial usability or performance difference between them, when
using Photoshop.

--
PeterN
  #40  
Old June 17th 18, 02:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,161
Default Question for you Apple crazies

On 6/15/2018 12:19 AM, Bill W wrote:


snip


All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I
really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a
discount on one of those can be very meaningful.


Not all i7 processors are equal.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/i7-processors.html

Also I am not sure whether the graphics program you plan to use will use
all the features on the latest and greatest i7,
An i5 may be perfectly fine for what you want to do.

As for drive space, i Store all my programs on an SSD, and the files on
a 6T drive. I was running out of space on my old drive. I also have an
in house 12T backup
All I am saying is that many of us have difference needs. I try to get
what I need, but try not to waste money. OTOH I mentioned to one of my
daughters that i might get a Lexus next year. She asked if I need one. I
said no, but i may want one.


--
PeterN
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chinese horrors. Apple suing Amazon retailer for selling fake Apple products Savageduck[_3_] Digital Photography 2 October 21st 16 09:19 AM
Maker of ad-blocker Apple ap mysteriously withdraws it...a week before Apple launches their own Sandman Digital Photography 1 September 21st 15 06:51 AM
Aperture future in question as Apple axes bulk of team l e o Digital Photography 41 May 10th 06 06:03 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2024 PhotoBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.