Got to admit; when Windows fails, it does so spectacularly.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Done all that. My problem is that any attempt of Dell to contact
Corsair gets a response of "You are not authorised to ... " or words
to that effect. I've been through all the settings that I (and
others)
can think of and they are identical on both machines. Yet Corsair is
succesful in contacting Dell while Dell is unsuccesful in getting a
useful response from Corsair. The problem may lie in the fact that
Corsair is W10 Home while Dell is W10 Pro.

You;re not suggesting that thgis is a Windows problem are you ?

Not at all. I've boiled it down to probably being a user name and
password problem. I hope to know later in the day. The problem is that
Windows can do so many things (sometimes in so many different ways)
that unless you know exactly what you are doing you can be brought up
short by a security barrier at almost any stage. What I now have to do
is make sure that he two computers are so configured that they can
actually talk to each other.

it's very clearly a windows problem when it's so much trouble just to
get two computers to talk to each other.

Everything is an XXXXXX problem if you don't know the rules by which
XXXXXX operates.

no.

It certainly works for Windows.

nope. look at all the problems you're having. it *doesn't* work for
windows.

It also works for you.

yep. on a mac, it's one click for the desired services, even when the
users on each system are different, as is the case with your setup:
https://support.apple.com/library/co...are/images/en_
US/osx/yos_sys_sharing_files.png

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

The problem is that
Windows can do so many things (sometimes in so many different ways)
that unless you know exactly what you are doing you can be brought up
short by a security barrier at almost any stage.

Then I;d say that it an error and shouldn't happen.

What I now have to do
is make sure that he two computers are so configured that they can
actually talk to each other.

I never knew that was such a difficult problem, well it isn't with Mac anyway.

it isn't.

windows is what makes simple tasks a difficult problem, and what's
really strange is that people make excuses for it being like that.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Done all that. My problem is that any attempt of Dell to contact
Corsair gets a response of "You are not authorised to ... " or words
to that effect. I've been through all the settings that I (and others)
can think of and they are identical on both machines. Yet Corsair is
succesful in contacting Dell while Dell is unsuccesful in getting a
useful response from Corsair. The problem may lie in the fact that
Corsair is W10 Home while Dell is W10 Pro.

You;re not suggesting that thgis is a Windows problem are you ?

Not at all. I've boiled it down to probably being a user name and
password problem. I hope to know later in the day. The problem is that
Windows can do so many things (sometimes in so many different ways)
that unless you know exactly what you are doing you can be brought up
short by a security barrier at almost any stage. What I now have to do
is make sure that he two computers are so configured that they can
actually talk to each other.

it's very clearly a windows problem when it's so much trouble just to
get two computers to talk to each other.

Everything is an XXXXXX problem if you don't know the rules by which
XXXXXX operates.

You shouldn't have to that is the point.

exactly.

On 10/30/2018 6:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 30, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ):

On 10/30/2018 4:36 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 30, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ):

On 10/30/2018 1:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Oct 30, 2018, Neil wrote
[...]
As I don't have a Fujifilm camera, apps dedicated to them have little
interest to me, but I don't have a problem with those who find it useful
information, even if it hijacked the topic. ;-)

Since Capture One Pro is also available as a more general program rather
than
their two manufacturer specific versions (Sony, or Fujifilm), any
thoughts.

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One.aspx
Well, once again my perspective toward image editing software is tied to
my history of professional image editing since the 1970s. My preferred
software is that which provides good tools, not "push-button" effects,
and as such will not be specific to any camera or presumed workflow.

Just consider that your history of professional image editing is rooted in a
wet darkroom, as was my hobbyist image editing history, and that today the
professional, and the enthusiast hobbyist photographers have moved into the
digital darkroom which entails using appropriate “good tools�, and for
most photographers in those categories that means Adobe CC, or some other
sophisticated software. I do not recall what you are shooting these days,
but
if you are shooting any digital I would have believed that you would be
interested in software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Capture One, DxO, and
several others, and how they work, along with their ease of use, I am.

Duck, I began working with _digital images_ in the 1970s. My wet
darkroom days go back to the '60s.

Mine started back in the ‘50s in my father’s darkroom. If you started
working on digital images in the 1970s you have me there by a few years.

Yes, we both have a lot of experience. The point I was making is that my
personal photography tools are driven by my use of professional tools.

The first "digital image editors" I
worked with were for video production, like the Quantel Paintbox and
other specialized hardware.

I was/am not a video shooter of any kind.

By the late '70s, I was using custom tools
for personal computers such as for the Apple][ and even designed and
built some.

I got my first Apple, an Apple ][e in 1983.

By the 80s I was using mainly PC-based hardware and software
such as the AT&T Vista, which was 32bit color.

At home for my personal use I have always used Apple computers since that
first Apple ][e. However, at work it was all on PC-based machines.

As I've stated in other threads, I'm a platform agnostic. The only thing
that matters to me are the tools that are available to get the work done
at the level I require.

There were many image editing programs in those days, but I eventually
preferred Aldus PhotoStyler because of its ability to create and save
custom tools. Adobe bought Aldus, and shut down PhotoStyler to sell
Photoshop, which was quite inferior to it. So, I've used Photoshop since
its release and haven't seen anything since version 5 or so that brought
something useful to my table.

Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version 12.0)?

Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus shifted
around or the keyboard commands changed.

I work in the format of the output medium (e.g. CMYK for print, RGB for
video), and find it much faster to use curves and other fundamental
tools to do the job to my level of expectations.

You can certainly work that way with Photoshop, as you can with similar Pro
level software.

There are more options today than there were in earlier decades, but I
also don't waste my time learning new UIs for those apps. One exception
is that I participated in the beta program for Affinity Photo and now
have that app on this laptop, strictly for personal use.

--
best regards,

Neil

On 2018-10-31 15:33:04 +0000, Neil said:

On 10/30/2018 6:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:


Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version 12.0)?

Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus shifted
around or the keyboard commands changed.

Version 5.0 is over 20 years old and the World has moved under it, that
includes finding any currently supported OS, Mac, or Windows.

What Photoshop CC is capable of today is very different to what you had
in PS 5.0.

BTW: You did not say what camera(s) you actualy personally use.

I work in the format of the output medium (e.g. CMYK for print, RGB for
video), and find it much faster to use curves and other fundamental
tools to do the job to my level of expectations.

You can certainly work that way with Photoshop, as you can with similar Pro
level software.

There are more options today than there were in earlier decades, but I
also don't waste my time learning new UIs for those apps.

Apparently not for the last 20 years you haven't, especially when it
comes to Photoshop. Things have changed, and the incremental nature of
the evolution, improvements, and advancements with Photoshop, along
with many of the plugins integrating with PS have made dealing with UI
changes easier, and easier. the same applies to Lightroom, and many of
the alternate software, and/or plugins.

Now there are more changes coming with the development of AI in image
processing.

One exception is that I participated in the beta program for Affinity
Photo and now have that app on this laptop, strictly for personal use.

The Beta, or the latest Affinity Photo release?

Affinity Photo is very good. However, it is still a far cry from
Photoshop CC. Affinity Photo has a UI and workflow which did require
some learning, and I find it a bit of a kludge compared to Photoshop. I
find the Affinity Photo for iPad to be the best of the mobile photo
editing apps, but Adobe has promised a full version of Photoshop for
iOS next year, then I will reevaluate.

In article , Neil
wrote:


There were many image editing programs in those days, but I eventually
preferred Aldus PhotoStyler because of its ability to create and save
custom tools. Adobe bought Aldus, and shut down PhotoStyler to sell
Photoshop, which was quite inferior to it. So, I've used Photoshop since
its release and haven't seen anything since version 5 or so that brought
something useful to my table.

Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version 12.0)?

Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus shifted
around or the keyboard commands changed.

a *lot* has changed since version 5, *far* more than shifting menus and
changing keyboard commands (which can be set to whatever you want
anyway).

On 10/31/2018 12:51 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2018-10-31 15:33:04 +0000, Neil said:

On 10/30/2018 6:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:


Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version
12.0)?
Â*
Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus
shifted around or the keyboard commands changed.

Version 5.0 is over 20 years old and the World has moved under it, that
includes finding any currently supported OS, Mac, or Windows.

If you re-read what I wrote, above, it clearly states that I'm not still
running version 5.0.

What Photoshop CC is capable of today is very different to what you had
in PS 5.0.

Not in terms of what I need or how efficiently I can get what I need done.

BTW: You did not say what camera(s) you actualy personally use.

It doesn't matter to the above. However, I use all of the cameras I've
acquired over the years, which includes Leicas, Rolleis, Olympus and to
lesser degrees Canon and Nikon.

I work in the format of the output medium (e.g. CMYK for print, RGB for
video), and find it much faster to use curves and other fundamental
tools to do the job to my level of expectations.

You can certainly work that way with Photoshop, as you can with
similar Pro
level software.

There are more options today than there were in earlier decades, but I
also don't waste my time learning new UIs for those apps.

Apparently not for the last 20 years you haven't, especially when it
comes to Photoshop.

What part of "The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility" is giving you difficulty?

Things have changed, and the incremental nature of
the evolution, improvements, and advancements with Photoshop, along with
many of the plugins integrating with PS have made dealing with UI
changes easier, and easier. the same applies to Lightroom, and many of
the alternate software, and/or plugins.

You are making the very erroneous assumption that I haven't seen these
changes and made decisions about their usefulness to me. They're even
less useful to me now that I'm pretty much retired.

Now there are more changes coming with the development of AI in image
processing.

I'm not interested in that, either. It may be useful to some who play
around with their images, but that's not me.

One exception is that I participated in the beta program for Affinity
Photo and now have that app on this laptop, strictly for personal use.

The Beta, or the latest Affinity Photo release?

I purchased it at a discount after the beta program, and therefore it is
current.

Affinity Photo is very good. However, it is still a far cry from
Photoshop CC.

I don't use it as a replacement for Photoshop. I wrote that it's on
*this notebook for personal use*. What is confusing you about that?

--
best regards,

Neil

On 10/31/2018 1:40 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Neil
wrote:


There were many image editing programs in those days, but I eventually
preferred Aldus PhotoStyler because of its ability to create and save
custom tools. Adobe bought Aldus, and shut down PhotoStyler to sell
Photoshop, which was quite inferior to it. So, I've used Photoshop since
its release and haven't seen anything since version 5 or so that brought
something useful to my table.

Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version 12.0)?

Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus shifted
around or the keyboard commands changed.

a *lot* has changed since version 5, *far* more than shifting menus and
changing keyboard commands (which can be set to whatever you want
anyway).

If you could read, you'd know that I have newer versions but don't find
that their features increase my productivity, the accuracy of my work,
or any other aspect critical to me. YMMV. The shifting menus and
changing keyboard commands simply waste my time, and I don't care for
that, either.

--
best regards,

Neil

In article , Neil
wrote:

There were many image editing programs in those days, but I eventually
preferred Aldus PhotoStyler because of its ability to create and save
custom tools. Adobe bought Aldus, and shut down PhotoStyler to sell
Photoshop, which was quite inferior to it. So, I've used Photoshop since
its release and haven't seen anything since version 5 or so that brought
something useful to my table.

Do you mean Photoshop 5.0 (version 5.0), or Photoshop CS5 (version 12.0)?

Version 5.0. The only reason I upgraded beyond that was for OS
compatibility. It does little for my productivity to have menus shifted
around or the keyboard commands changed.

a *lot* has changed since version 5, *far* more than shifting menus and
changing keyboard commands (which can be set to whatever you want
anyway).

If you could read, you'd know that I have newer versions but don't find
that their features increase my productivity, the accuracy of my work,
or any other aspect critical to me. YMMV. The shifting menus and
changing keyboard commands simply waste my time, and I don't care for
that, either.

keyboard shortcuts can be set to whatever you want and i can't think of
which menu options shifted to where it would confuse someone. if
anything, it's *more* logical now than it used to be, and if you use
the keyboard shortcuts, the menu locations are irrelevant.

that tells me you don't know how to use photoshop to its fullest
potential (or even part of its potential), which is not surprising
given what else you've said. you like doing things the hard way,
resistant to change.

On 10/31/2018 2:15 PM, nospam wrote:

that tells me you don't know how to use photoshop to its fullest
potential (or even part of its potential), which is not surprising
given what else you've said. you like doing things the hard way,
resistant to change.

I've used Photoshop for well over 20 years, but I don't know how to use
it to it's fullest potential? How did you arrive at that idiotic notion?
Whether something is "the hard way" depends on what one needs to do, not
what functions have been included in an updated app.

--
best regards,

Neil