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  #41  
Old June 8th 18, 12:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Scott Schuckert
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In article , nospam
wrote:

nothing prevents you from slowing down and thinking with digital.


Prevents? No. Nothing prevents a heroin addict from simply not picking
up the next needle. But, at least for some people, it's very very hard.


My first serious photography "project" was taking photos at the 1963
Worlds Fair; I carried two cameras, so I could shoot B&W and color at
will. Looking around the room, the majority of images I've chosen for
my walls are from my beloved Graphic View II (4X5).

I'm aware my current digital equipment is almost up to the task,
technically. I've tried to slow down and put more care into my digital
images, but have been unsuccessful - it just doesn't seem "real" to me.
You have no consequences for bad images, because there's literally no
investment.

I would put it down to a lack of flexibility in my ancient head, BUT -
I mentor for a local college newspaper. The quality of photography
there has dropped radically since they closed their darkroom and went
all digital. The kids can't even compose properly, let alone work with
lighting, selective focus, or anything else. And when I try to coach
them on improving, they literally don't see the difference. "It's good
enough - who's going to pay that much attention to s picture?"

That's why there's a loaded film camera on my desk right now, and I've
started measuring the spare room for a darkroom.
  #42  
Old June 8th 18, 03:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Davoud
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Davoud wrote:
The fact is, the film era is over in the same way the horse-and-buggy
era is over. You can still buy a horse and they still make buggies, but
the horse-and-buggy era is over.


nospam replied:
exactly correct.


RJH replied:
Priceless.


Savageduck replied:
Especially since all the usual participants in this NG are allegedly residing
in Davoud’s kill-file.


There are six modern Macs in my home. The kill-files are not
synchronized. So even you can squeak through sometimes!

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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  #43  
Old June 9th 18, 06:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
David Taylor
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On 07/06/2018 20:14, gray_wolf wrote:
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I was shooting film until the end of 2006. I had a Nikon 90s and a
Hasselblad 500CM,
and a 4x5 Linhof color 45.
I still have the 'blad, Linhof and JOBO stuff.Â* Still miss my darkroom.
But Photoshop has added
another dimension to digital in post editing. Film was an era for me.
There's nothing like working with a 4x5 or even a 6x6 to make you slow
down and think.


Using an iPad as camera goes a little way towards slowing you down and
making you think. I still prefer something smaller and easier to carry,
though, and try to get the images right "in-the-camera" rather than
relying on post-processing.

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David
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  #44  
Old June 9th 18, 08:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_7_]
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On 6/7/2018 7:29 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:05:54 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 3:44 PM, RJH wrote:
On 04/06/2018 11:51, Mike Headon wrote:
On 04/06/2018 09:15, RJH wrote:
On 04/06/2018 04:02, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

My phone can take pictures? Son of a gun, so it can... Meanwhile, I
just spent a couple of hundred bucks to have my Nikon F100 body
tuned
up.

you're the lone exception.


Another airline survey?

city bus.

i have posted an image of a professional NY photographer, who still
uses
film.

that makes two.

meanwhile, billions of digital photos are taken every day and uploaded
to various online services, nearly all of which with smartphones. more
than one *trillion* photos were taken in 2017.

B&H
Adorama

Both of the above sell a lot of film cameras.

nowhere near as many as they used to.

go ask them how their film sales have dramatically dropped off in
recent years.

I wonder why a lot of
professional photographers don't listen to you.

they don't need to. they already are on the digital bandwagon.

very, very few photographers are still shooting film and that number is
shrinking rapidly.

https://petapixel.com/2015/04/24/12-...-choose-to-sho

ot-film-over-digital/

what a joke. that is a completely bogus article. every single point is
*wrong*.

Snip good points well made

Film might have perceived advantages, even if they're difficult to
express:

* More care/time/thought might be taken over taking a shot because of
the cost/time consequences (developing, loading etc) and limitations
(fixed ISO, burst facilities etc);

* Much as the analogue/digital discussions in audio, the quality is
in the eye of the beholder - film is 'felt' to be better than
digital. Ironically, this is often to do with limitations of the
medium. And no amount of measurement or argument is going to shift
that perception.


And nobody has mentioned - it's fun!

Yep! Forgot that. But one person's fun is another's something less than
fun I suppose.



Yep! I have a photo project going called "Derrieres" I am certain that
when I finish it, there will be those who will not think it's funny.


Bummer, eh?


That will be their problem, not mine.

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Old June 9th 18, 09:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_7_]
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On 6/7/2018 10:31 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 7, 2018, J.Albert wrote
(in article ):

On 6/7/18 4:55 PM, Savageduck wrote:
So you don’t know what an egg cream is.


I'm almost 70, and I don't really know "what an egg cream is".
Not that I haven't heard the term, I just have never seen or
tasted one.

I'll admit I'm hopelessly behind the times...


Who isn’t almost 70? I for one am not going to have another 69th birthday.
So it has nothing to do with being behind the times, and if you hadn’t
visited a NYC soda fountain it is unlikely that you would have tasted one. An
egg cream is very much a New York City soda fountain creation of the
1880’s, and is rare these days. It is a beverage blend of milk, chocolate
syrup, and seltzer, or soda water. No eggs, no cream. As I said few folks
unfamiliar with the Five Boroughs of NYC, regardless of age would know what
an egg cream was.


And the really good ones are made with Fox's U-Bet chocolate syrup.

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Old June 9th 18, 10:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Scott Schuckert
wrote:

nothing prevents you from slowing down and thinking with digital.


Prevents? No. Nothing prevents a heroin addict from simply not picking
up the next needle. But, at least for some people, it's very very hard.


a very bad analogy. heroin is a physical addiction. photography is not.

back to the point, digital is *just* as slow as film, or it can be
significantly faster. the choice is entirely up to the photographer.

the advantage of digital is you *aren't* forced to be slow. should
something unexpected happen, you *can* shoot fast, then go back to slow
or anywhere in between. it's *significantly* more flexible, allowing
for *more* opportunities, not less.

there is no advantage to slow. it's just an excuse to be stuck in the
past.

My first serious photography "project" was taking photos at the 1963
Worlds Fair; I carried two cameras, so I could shoot B&W and color at
will. Looking around the room, the majority of images I've chosen for
my walls are from my beloved Graphic View II (4X5).


today, one camera could do what that camera did and a whole lot better.

I'm aware my current digital equipment is almost up to the task,
technically.


then you're misinformed.

today's digital equipment blows away what existed in 1963, and with
just *one* camera, not two.

I've tried to slow down and put more care into my digital
images, but have been unsuccessful - it just doesn't seem "real" to me.
You have no consequences for bad images, because there's literally no
investment.


that's *your* shortcoming, not a problem with digital.

next time, bring a 128 megabyte card, which can hold around a
half-dozen raw files with a typical modern slr.

better yet, bring a 16-32 meg card which can hold only *one* raw file
(depending on camera).

that should slow you down.

I would put it down to a lack of flexibility in my ancient head,


yep.

BUT -
I mentor for a local college newspaper. The quality of photography
there has dropped radically since they closed their darkroom and went
all digital. The kids can't even compose properly, let alone work with
lighting, selective focus, or anything else.


that's not a flaw of digital.

i'm sure some of them can compose quite well, but for a newspaper, that
isn't as important as capturing *the* moment.

And when I try to coach
them on improving, they literally don't see the difference. "It's good
enough - who's going to pay that much attention to s picture?"


they're right.

they're newspaper photographers, not artistic photographers.

go talk to people in the art department.

That's why there's a loaded film camera on my desk right now, and I've
started measuring the spare room for a darkroom.


in other words, you're stuck in the past.
 




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