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Photoshop installation error
On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 6/3/2018 10:23 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 12:38 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, android wrote (in articlepan$20781$a9e593d9$f43753ef$2b7a24a7@there .was): On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:52:36 -0400, wrote in lid: In articlepan$8b115$d0c012fb$243ea1fd$6c8a56e6@there .was, android wrote: An iPad is all the computer you might ever need! (Maybe) No it isn't and it's not a computer by popular definition since it lacks proper input devices and reasonable sized display. an ipad absolutely is a computer by popular definition and for many people, is ideal for their needs. Not if they want to edit photographs properly. You must have missed these: https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ipad-update/ http://www.pixelmator.com/ios/ https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html Regardless of what you think it might be, the iPad, especially the iPad Pro is a computer. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. It is the design configuration of both which enables the user to calculate, not an automated program. It is only user skill which enables the capability to calculate. With just an abacus, there is no program input, or data input other than the human interface. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Photoshop installation error
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wrote: Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? do straw men own computers? |
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Photoshop installation error
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wrote: It's a tablet. Little different from those that Samsung sells. I have a Galaxy Tab 2 of that make tucked away somewhere... actually, it's quite a bit different. Liar. They are both sandboxed environments under running under a Unix type kernel. that's like saying a porsche and a yugo are both metal boxes with an engine and wheels. If you think about it, most cars are just four wheels, and steel. Well this one of a kind has a lot of brass. https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hszpbvhjf8p5wi/20180603_cars%20antique%20flowers_6871.jpg?dl=0 whoooooooooooooosh |
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Photoshop installation error
On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:46:02 -0400, PeterN
wrote in : I am not getting involved in a Win v Apple discussion. Both have advantages, and both have disadvantages. In today's market, it is simply a matter of personal preference. Oki... You have had your say. You're totally wrong of course! -- teleportation kills |
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What is programming was ( Photoshop installation error)
On 6/3/2018 10:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 10:23 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 12:38 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, android wrote (in articlepan$20781$a9e593d9$f43753ef$2b7a24a7@there .was): On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:52:36 -0400, wrote in lid: In articlepan$8b115$d0c012fb$243ea1fd$6c8a56e6@there .was, android wrote: An iPad is all the computer you might ever need! (Maybe) No it isn't and it's not a computer by popular definition since it lacks proper input devices and reasonable sized display. an ipad absolutely is a computer by popular definition and for many people, is ideal for their needs. Not if they want to edit photographs properly. You must have missed these: https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ipad-update/ http://www.pixelmator.com/ios/ https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html Regardless of what you think it might be, the iPad, especially the iPad Pro is a computer. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. It is the design configuration of both which enables the user to calculate, not an automated program. It is only user skill which enables the capability to calculate. With just an abacus, there is no program input, or data input other than the human interface. Our difference is in the meaning of the word "programing." you have your opinion, I have mine. My old electronic calculator is programed, although the vast majority of users have no ability to change the program. I have heard it said that the old electronic hand calculator had more computer power than the computers used in the Apollo missions to the moon. The inherent design of the abacus is an analog program, the design of the early card readers were a digital program, that was user changeable. IIRC the goal of the early digital computers was to accomplish tasks that were formerly analog, more efficiently. You may believe differently, but that is your right, -- PeterN |
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Photoshop installation error
On 6/4/2018 1:55 AM, android wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 21:46:02 -0400, PeterN wrote in : I am not getting involved in a Win v Apple discussion. Both have advantages, and both have disadvantages. In today's market, it is simply a matter of personal preference. Oki... You have had your say. You're totally wrong of course! Sorry, I am not taking the bait. ;-) -- PeterN |
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What is programming was ( Photoshop installation error)
On Jun 4, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 6/3/2018 10:44 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 10:23 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 12:38 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, android wrote (in articlepan$20781$a9e593d9$f43753ef$2b7a24a7@there .was): On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:52:36 -0400, wrote in lid: In articlepan$8b115$d0c012fb$243ea1fd$6c8a56e6@there .was, android wrote: An iPad is all the computer you might ever need! (Maybe) No it isn't and it's not a computer by popular definition since it lacks proper input devices and reasonable sized display. an ipad absolutely is a computer by popular definition and for many people, is ideal for their needs. Not if they want to edit photographs properly. You must have missed these: https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ipad-update/ http://www.pixelmator.com/ios/ https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html Regardless of what you think it might be, the iPad, especially the iPad Pro is a computer. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. It is the design configuration of both which enables the user to calculate, not an automated program. It is only user skill which enables the capability to calculate. With just an abacus, there is no program input, or data input other than the human interface. Our difference is in the meaning of the word "programing." you have your opinion, I have mine. My old electronic calculator is programed, although the vast majority of users have no ability to change the program. I have heard it said that the old electronic hand calculator had more computer power than the computers used in the Apollo missions to the moon. The inherent design of the abacus is an analog program, the design of the early card readers were a digital program, that was user changeable. IIRC the goal of the early digital computers was to accomplish tasks that were formerly analog, more efficiently. You may believe differently, but that is your right, Jacquard controlled looms with pattern cards of the 19th century could be described as programable analog machines. that does not apply to an abacus where the only program is the user skill. ....and we do seem to have different ideas regarding “program” and programability. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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What is programming was ( Photoshop installation error)
In article , PeterN
wrote: Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. It is the design configuration of both which enables the user to calculate, not an automated program. It is only user skill which enables the capability to calculate. With just an abacus, there is no program input, or data input other than the human interface. Our difference is in the meaning of the word "programing." you have your opinion, I have mine. My old electronic calculator is programed, although the vast majority of users have no ability to change the program. then it's not a computer by the usual definition, which is a cpu, display, input device storage for user installed apps and documents. a calculator has a cpu, usually a numeric display (some graphic calculators have a small graphic display), an input device (the numeric keypad and assorted function keys), but no storage for apps or documents, user installed or not. it gets a bit fuzzy with programmable calculators, especially ones with removable storage, such as the magnetic cards on the hp-65/67 or modules with hp-41 series. those calculators *do* store apps, user installed or commercially available. I have heard it said that the old electronic hand calculator had more computer power than the computers used in the Apollo missions to the moon. yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer The inherent design of the abacus is an analog program, the design of the early card readers were a digital program, that was user changeable. IIRC the goal of the early digital computers was to accomplish tasks that were formerly analog, more efficiently. early computers were analog. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A...ne_GPN-2000-00 0354.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer |
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Photoshop installation error
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 22:28:02 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 6/3/2018 10:23 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 6/3/2018 12:38 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 3, 2018, android wrote (in articlepan$20781$a9e593d9$f43753ef$2b7a24a7@there .was): On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:52:36 -0400, wrote in lid: In articlepan$8b115$d0c012fb$243ea1fd$6c8a56e6@there .was, android wrote: An iPad is all the computer you might ever need! (Maybe) No it isn't and it's not a computer by popular definition since it lacks proper input devices and reasonable sized display. an ipad absolutely is a computer by popular definition and for many people, is ideal for their needs. Not if they want to edit photographs properly. You must have missed these: https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ipad-update/ http://www.pixelmator.com/ios/ https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html Regardless of what you think it might be, the iPad, especially the iPad Pro is a computer. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. The criteron is whether or not they employ a stored program, and they do not. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Photoshop installation error
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: Is an abacus also a computer? How about the comptometer? Actually, both are calculators. To turn them into computers their calculating function should be programable, and automatic. Neither one has the ability to do that, so they remain calculators, not computers. Both are programmable, but not necessarily by the user. If they were not programmable, they would not calculate. The criteron is whether or not they employ a stored program, and they do not. ones which the user can add/delete. the calculator's built in programs, such as financial calculations, does not mean a financial calculator is a computer. it's just an advanced calculator. however, as i said, the line gets fuzzy with programmable calculators, which can store user created programs, but are not what someone would consider a computer. |
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