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Old May 25th 18, 11:42 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html)
is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.
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Old May 25th 18, 12:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-05-25 10:42:36 +0000, occam said:

Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html)

is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.


Oki... Photography is as dead as painting! See me weep as all the
wannabes get caught with their pants down by me mommy and her pocket
instamatic, whence she gets back from the inside of the earth...
--
teleportation kills

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Old May 25th 18, 04:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2018-05-25 12:14:57 +0000, Whisky-dave said:

On Friday, 25 May 2018 12:07:19 UTC+1, android wrote:
On 2018-05-25 10:42:36 +0000, occam said:

Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html)


is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.


Oki... Photography is as dead as painting! See me weep as all the
wannabes get caught with their pants down by me mommy and her pocket
instamatic, whence she gets back from the inside of the earth...


while some buy a lens so they can get to photograph out of focus cirles
and call it art. I remmeber the days when photographers took picture of
things they wanted in focus and that was the main idea behind taking
the photo. ;-P


Soo you're a F8 shooter straight up. That's an approach that can be
honoured as legitimate dogma too...
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Old May 25th 18, 11:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?

On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote:
Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html)
is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.


Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by
AI. What is lacking is the human nuance.
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PeterN
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Old May 26th 18, 01:21 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?

On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:16:28 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote:
Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...tographer.html)
is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.


Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by
AI. What is lacking is the human nuance.


I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi.

Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old May 26th 18, 01:54 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Google Clips - End of the photographer as we know it?

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by
AI. What is lacking is the human nuance.


I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi.


there's no requirement that it should.

there are many more composers in this world than just those three.

Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time.


where 'a long time' is 'now':

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...chine-listens-
to-bach-then-writes-its-own-music-in-the-same-style/
These guys have developed a neural network that has learned to
produce choral cantatas in the style of Bach. They call their machine
DeepBach (see also ³AI Songsmith Cranks Out Surprisingly Catchy
Tunes²).
....
To find out, the team asked more than 1,600 people to listen two
different harmonies of the same melody. More than 400 of them were
professional musicians or music students.
....
When given a DeepBach-generated harmony, around half the voters
judged that it was composed by Bach. Thatıs significantly higher than
with music generated by any other algorithm. ³We consider this to be
a good score knowing the complexity of Bachıs compositions,² say
Hadjeres and Pachet.

Even when confronted with music composed by Bach himself,
participants only judged that correctly 75 percent of the time.

and that's just one example.
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Old May 26th 18, 02:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On May 25, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:16:28 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote:
Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...11821-google-c
lips-the-death-of-the-photographer.html)
is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.


Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by
AI. What is lacking is the human nuance.


I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi.

Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time.


Agreed, and there are so many more than the three greats you cited that AI
will never equal. AI might be able to produce something evocative of the work
of some great composer, or jazz improvisor like Brubeck, Bud Powell, or Art
Pepper, but will never be their equal. However, I am sure that we will have
at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is
going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography.

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Old May 26th 18, 04:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:04:37 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

I am sure that we will have
at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is
going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography.


Ray Kurzweil doesn't post here, and he's the only one crazy enough to
think that AI will match human functioning. People who are honest
about these things know that AI has severe limitations, and probably
always will.

He made some nice synths, though.
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Old May 26th 18, 05:11 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2018 9:04 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 25, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:16:28 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/25/2018 6:42 AM, occam wrote:
Here is an interesting article which says:

"Google and its AI research team really do think that photography is
about deciding what makes a good picture and think it can be automated.
Over time photography has become increasingly less skillful. First
automatic exposure takes away the skill of setting up the recording
equipment and then automatic focus makes it easy to focus on the
foreground object. AI driven focus even does away with the need to
manually select what should be in focus. All that is left it the moment
to press the shutter or record button."

The full article
(http://www.i-programmer.info/news/19...11821-google-c
lips-the-death-of-the-photographer.html)
is about Google's Clip App which uses AI to automate the 'critical
moment' of photo-taking, which according to the article is currently the
last bastion of photographers.

Nothing new there. It is well established that music can be created by
AI. What is lacking is the human nuance.


I doubt that AI will ever produce a Bach, Beethoven or Monteverdi.

Well, maybe it will, but it will be a long time.


Agreed, and there are so many more than the three greats you cited that AI
will never equal. AI might be able to produce something evocative of the work
of some great composer, or jazz improvisor like Brubeck, Bud Powell, or Art
Pepper, but will never be their equal. However, I am sure that we will have
at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is
going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography.


Assuming an infinite number of monkeys........

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PeterN
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Old May 26th 18, 05:17 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2018 11:38 PM, Bill W wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2018 18:04:37 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

I am sure that we will have
at least one of the regular participants in this NG who will state that AI is
going to be the future for all things creative be it music, or photography.


Ray Kurzweil doesn't post here, and he's the only one crazy enough to
think that AI will match human functioning. People who are honest
about these things know that AI has severe limitations, and probably
always will.

The issue is whether the potential poster referred to by the Duck
actually has an honest belief, or will post just to start an argument.


He made some nice synths, though.

Yes he did.

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