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"Annika1980" wrote in message ... On Aug 28, 11:11 am, "jimkramer" wrote: The difference between someone that is just ignorant and someone that is just an idiot; you can teach the ignorance away, not so with the idiotcy. You have clearly identified the problem; the only logical course of action should also be painfully apparent, lest we begin to categorize you as well. -Jim So I should ignore the idiot? Gotcha. Having said that, it is sometimes tough to let some of his blatant lies stand. The only one paying him any attention is you. Again, the logical course of action... -Jim |
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Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 29/08/2008 1:00 AM:
You are an idiot. You took the words off my mouth. Thanks for admitting it. If a hummer beats his wings at 50 beats per second then the wings will make one full cycle of motion in 1/50 of a second. And that somehow is 1/15000 of a second? At a shutter speed of 1/200 of a second the wings will go through 1/4 of their total cycle of motion. And that proves they move at 1/15000second how? In other words they'll move a couple of inches in the time that the shutter is open. So tell us again how 1/200 is going to freeze the motion? By firing a flash at it that has a 1/1000th of a second exposure duration, dickhead? Better yet, provide us ANY examples of that happening without the use of high-speed flash. of WHAT happening, dickhead? |
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jimkramer wrote,on my timestamp of 29/08/2008 1:11 AM:
The difference between someone that is just ignorant and someone that is just an idiot; you can teach the ignorance away, not so with the idiotcy. You have clearly identified the problem; the only logical course of action should also be painfully apparent, lest we begin to categorize you as well. -Jim "Hummingbird wings beat so fast you'd need about 1/15,000 of a second to freeze it totally. " the words of YOUR idiot. not mine. |
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Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 29/08/2008 1:31 AM:
Having said that, it is sometimes tough to let some of his blatant lies stand. "Hummingbird wings beat so fast you'd need about 1/15,000 of a second to freeze it totally. " nothing like letting your lies stand on their own. |
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Scott W wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 12:29 AM:
You believe a spinning propeller is going much faster then 3600 RPM? No. And that is much faster than the wings of ANY bird, including stuffed ones. Exactly what was your point? |
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Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 12:13 AM:
We have learned at least two things so far in this thread. You don't have a clue what the short exposure of a flash does to a wing beat and you are a complete liar. Yes, we know that. Eric Miller explains it much better on his website: http://www.dyesscreek.com/miscellane...s/howto_1.html yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, this is gonna be fun! Eric writes: second. So a 1/1000 second shutter speed will catch a wing movement of about 1/2 inch or so, i.e., a complete blur. Of course, the 1/2 inch distance is not always true because the wings don't actually move at a constant speed. I wish he'd make up his mind: is it a "complete blur" or is it 1/2 inch distance blur or is it a full stroke blur like in your shots? One wonders... Instead, they move through one beat, stop (or slow down greatly) and then move in the opposite direction, but you get the idea. Yeah, I get the idea your shots have fake wings: they show a full stroke of blur with a flash burst on the body. In order to see detail in the wings you would need a faster shutter speed than you will find on most any good SLR. Catching the wing near either end of a beat will help a lot too." Fantastic! Thanks for proving my point. So, when you use a short flash burst, you get wings that look blurred? Like: in YOUR obviously FAKE shots? Damn, try to keep up. EXAMPLES OF FREEZING A HUMMERS WINGS WITHOUT USING HIGH-SPEED FLASH, dickhead. Cripes, Bret: are you making a special effort to show yourself as a complete idiot? Get this very simply, dickhead: you CANNOT have a flash-frozen body of a bird and at the same time blurred wings, like you do in your fakes! Got it, you blithering moron? What you just provided in this stupidly moronic post of yours is complete proof of what *I* said since the start. Of course: being the complete idiotic arse you really are, instead of READING my original post you charged along in some confused understanding of yours. By "high-speed flash" I am of course talking about a flash duration much shorter than the usual 1/1000 second. Yes, like what you get when a flash cuts out: as short as 1/15000. Plenty short to "freeze" ANY bird's wings. So, HOW COME YOUR SHOTS WITH SUCH A FLASH SHOW A COMPLETE, FULL STROKE BLURRED WING BEAT AND A "FLASH-FROZEN" BODY AT THE SAME TIME? Got it now, diddums? Hey, knock yourself out: it's only your reputation completely in tatters yet again, you stupid moron! |
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Annika1980 wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 1:23 AM:
No confusion there, except by you. The wings are moving up to 1/2 inch duing the exposure. That creates a blur. What is so difficult to understand? A full stroke blur like in your FAKE shots? Yeah that is indeed difficult to understand. But only if one wants to keep the illusion of credibility: which you exhausted ages ago... Yeah, I get the idea your shots have fake wings: they show a full stroke of blur with a flash burst on the body. Not a full stroke. Probably only 1/2 or so. A very clear full stroke, dickhead. Oh really? Seems like you are the only one here who doesn't get it. what, that your shots are complete FAKES? So, HOW COME YOUR SHOTS WITH SUCH A FLASH SHOW A COMPLETE, FULL STROKE BLURRED WING BEAT AND A "FLASH-FROZEN" BODY AT THE SAME TIME? It's a type of magic. It's called a FAKE, moron. |
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Scott W wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 2:13 AM:
On Aug 29, 4:51 am, Noons wrote: Scott W wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 12:29 AM: You believe a spinning propeller is going much faster then 3600 RPM? No. And that is much faster than the wings of ANY bird, including stuffed ones. Exactly what was your point? You said "Hummingbirds beat their wings much, much slower than a spinning propeller" Well at 60 Hz, this would be 3600 RPM. Sheesh, took you a loooong time for that one... Except propellers have usually 3, and quite often 4 blades. Birds have one wing blade to beat with. That would be 180Hz or even 240 against 60. Rather different, not? Once again: your point? |
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Alan LeHun wrote,on my timestamp of 30/08/2008 2:16 AM:
In article , says... You believe a spinning propeller is going much faster then 3600 RPM? No. And that is much faster than the wings of ANY bird, including stuffed ones. Exactly what was your point? I think he was querying your assertion that "Hummingbirds beat their wings much, much slower than a spinning propeller, at around 60Hz" Generally, it's the other way around. Propellers are usually around 30Hz max, although there are, of course, exceptions. Of course. Now: read my reply to him instead of interjecting with nonsense. |
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