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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

If "consciousness" can't be observed, as you state, then there can't
be any "experiential proof".

Well, yes, there can--in fact, the two are mutually exclusive. We
have experiential proof of our own consciousness; we _experience_ it,
so we don't have to _observe_ it. Everything else in the universe is
observed; we cannot experience anything except our own consciousness.

Science addresses only that which can be observed, and the physical
world is the world addressed by science. So, since consciousness
cannot be observed, it has no physical existence. At the same time,
we have direct experiential proof that consciousness exists--its
reality cannot be doubted. And so consciousness is a proven
metaphysical reality.

Because if there was such proof, it would
constitute an observation, which you claim is not possible.

No, it would not. I think, therefore I am. The experience of
consciousness is the proof of consciousness. No observation is
necessary (or possible).

It's getting a little crowded, here in the cave ...


--
Frank ess

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They will never happen in the lifetime of this universe.

They are _unlikely_ to happen, which isn't quite the same thing.

These events will _NEVER_ happen.

Now - wait a minute!

"will never happen"

hmmmm should that not be

"will probably never happen"


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Roland Karlsson wrote:

wrote in news:1106787988.755522.313050
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

They will never happen in the lifetime of this universe.

They are _unlikely_ to happen, which isn't quite the same thing.

These events will _NEVER_ happen.

Now - wait a minute!

"will never happen"

hmmmm should that not be

"will probably never happen"

Don't you know some people in believing "there is no God"
equate themselves as being God. "Anything is possible" clue:
thats why it "is" a thing.

Roland Karlsson wrote:

They will never happen in the lifetime of this universe.

They are _unlikely_ to happen, which isn't quite the same thing.

These events will _NEVER_ happen.

Now - wait a minute!

"will never happen"

hmmmm should that not be

"will probably never happen"

?

The probability that all the air in your room will collapse
spontaneously into a black hole is so small that weasle words like
"probably" grossly misrepresent the situation.

Ditto for a tennis ball quantum tunnelling itself to the Moon: it just
isn't going to happen.

If anything, the non-zero probabilities are a result of (a) poor
assumptions that go into the calculation (there are unconsidered
agents, for example, in the above situations which will act to prevent
the events from occuring) and/or (b) weaknesses in the theories
themselves.

writes:

The probability that all the air in your room will collapse
spontaneously into a black hole is so small that weasle words like
"probably" grossly misrepresent the situation.

The reality that such an event is not impossible destroys your argument,
which is why you try to make it sound as if "unlikely" and "impossible"
are synonyms.

Ditto for a tennis ball quantum tunnelling itself to the Moon: it just
isn't going to happen.

It _probably_ won't happen.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

It _probably_ won't happen.

It will never happen. This is what the numbers say, this is what
theory says, this is what physical reality presents to us. Your
idiotic beliefs have no standing.

Mxsmanic wrote:

writes:

If "consciousness" can't be observed, as you state, then there
can't be
any "experiential proof".

Well, yes, there can--in fact, the two are mutually exclusive.

When you state that "experience" and "observation" are "mutually
exclusive", then we are not speaking the same language (the generous
conclusion) or you are even stupider than I originally assessed.

wrote in news:1106937721.273873.84100
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

It _probably_ won't happen.

It will never happen. This is what the numbers say, this is what
theory says, this is what physical reality presents to us. Your
idiotic beliefs have no standing.

I am trying to understand what you are saying eawckyegcy.
I have two possible interpretations.

1. It is absolutely 100% impossible that a tennis ball
do tunnel to the moon - because there is something
fundamental in the theories that totally forbids that.
You can show that it is so by solving this or that
equation in Quantum Physics. This event is not even a
valid solution to any kind of computation according to
our current knowledge.

2. The event of a tennis ball tunneling to the moon has a
so totally small probability that even if you multiplied
the lifetime of the universe with a redicoulusly high number,
it will never happen. And therefore - it will never happen.
We will not see it - even if we the universe was 10^123456789
years old and our moon also and you. Therefore - it cannot
happen - it will not happen.

Which of the 2 do you mean?


/Roland

On 28 Jan 2005 10:42:01 -0800, wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

It _probably_ won't happen.

It will never happen. This is what the numbers say, this is what
theory says, this is what physical reality presents to us. Your
idiotic beliefs have no standing.

I wish I had a quarter for every time someone said that, and were
proven wrong, just *in their own lifetime*.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

"Roland Karlsson" wrote in message
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wrote in news:1106937721.273873.84100
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

It _probably_ won't happen.

It will never happen. This is what the numbers say, this is what
theory says, this is what physical reality presents to us. Your
idiotic beliefs have no standing.

I am trying to understand what you are saying eawckyegcy.
I have two possible interpretations.

1. It is absolutely 100% impossible that a tennis ball
do tunnel to the moon - because there is something
fundamental in the theories that totally forbids that.
You can show that it is so by solving this or that
equation in Quantum Physics. This event is not even a
valid solution to any kind of computation according to
our current knowledge.

2. The event of a tennis ball tunneling to the moon has a
so totally small probability that even if you multiplied
the lifetime of the universe with a redicoulusly high number,
it will never happen. And therefore - it will never happen.
We will not see it - even if we the universe was 10^123456789
years old and our moon also and you. Therefore - it cannot
happen - it will not happen.

Which of the 2 do you mean?


/Roland
Enough already.