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Windows 10. Horrible!
"nospam" wrote
| Sounds like low expectations: "I love my new | car. There are minor glitches, like the fact that | it refuses to go anywhere without first visiting | the dealership for a salespitch, but aside from | that it's great!" ...."Well, I have to give them | personal information or it won't start. But aside | from that it's great!".... "Well, it took some time | to figure out how to remove the growing number | of ads showing up on the dashboard. | | what ads? i've yet to see a single ad in win10. I rest my case. It's the slow-boiling frog approach. You don't even notice. You probably won't see 1-minute videos for cars any time soon, but look at typical Start Menu and tiles: https://www.pcmag.com/article/351216...-in-windows-10 "Get Office" ads, Candy Crush game ads, ads to buy movies, ads for X-Box and other Microsoft products. For Skype. For the MS Store. It's all ads. Probably you can remove most or all of them. For now. If you can and want to figure it out and do all that work. But they are ads. Civilized operating systems don't have ads on the Start Menu and desktop that you didn't ask for. It will progress gradually. Already it blurs the line between Windows functionality (Edge, for example) and online, for-pay items or software they want to sell you. Eventually you'll be looking at car videos and when someone points it out you'll say, "So what? I can ask for any car ad I want!" At that point you've been boiled and never even knew you were in the pan. You're probably at more risk as an Apple fan because you're used to a product that's designed to keep you in their private AOL-style shopping venue. |
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On 11/24/2017 6:51 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"nospam" wrote | Sounds like low expectations: "I love my new | car. There are minor glitches, like the fact that | it refuses to go anywhere without first visiting | the dealership for a salespitch, but aside from | that it's great!" ...."Well, I have to give them | personal information or it won't start. But aside | from that it's great!".... "Well, it took some time | to figure out how to remove the growing number | of ads showing up on the dashboard. | | what ads? i've yet to see a single ad in win10. I rest my case. It's the slow-boiling frog approach. You don't even notice. You probably won't see 1-minute videos for cars any time soon, but look at typical Start Menu and tiles: https://www.pcmag.com/article/351216...-in-windows-10 "Get Office" ads, Candy Crush game ads, ads to buy movies, ads for X-Box and other Microsoft products. For Skype. For the MS Store. It's all ads. Probably you can remove most or all of them. For now. If you can and want to figure it out and do all that work. But they are ads. Civilized operating systems don't have ads on the Start Menu and desktop that you didn't ask for. It will progress gradually. Already it blurs the line between Windows functionality (Edge, for example) and online, for-pay items or software they want to sell you. Eventually you'll be looking at car videos and when someone points it out you'll say, "So what? I can ask for any car ad I want!" At that point you've been boiled and never even knew you were in the pan. You're probably at more risk as an Apple fan because you're used to a product that's designed to keep you in their private AOL-style shopping venue. I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. ~ Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. ~ The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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On 11/24/2017 7:52 PM, Ron C wrote:
snip I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. ~ Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. ~ The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. It's a rare occasion, that I agree with nospam. I agree with you too. My purpose for computing is to get things done. Those freak-en ads are a major distraction. I suspect there is a legal way of blocking them, -- PeterN |
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On 11/24/2017 8:14 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 11/24/2017 7:52 PM, Ron C wrote: snip I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. ~ Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. ~ The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. It's a rare occasion, that I agree with nospam. I agree with you too. My purpose for computing is to get things done. Those freak-en ads are a major distraction. I suspect there is a legal way of blocking them, If you really want to experience ad overload try an Amazon Fire. My old tablet died and I recently got an Amazon Fire to replace it. Seems all the built in apps are just an up-sell conduit to some Amazon product or service. Hell, I have wi-fi turned off and the start-up lock screen still shows (apparently pre-loaded) ads. ~ I could go on... but enough on that for now... -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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On 11/24/2017 8:53 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 11/24/2017 8:14 PM, PeterN wrote: On 11/24/2017 7:52 PM, Ron C wrote: snip I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. ~ Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. ~ The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. It's a rare occasion, that I agree with nospam. I agree with you too. My purpose for computing is to get things done. Those freak-en ads are a major distraction. I suspect there is a legal way of blocking them, If you really want to experience ad overload try an Amazon Fire. My old tablet died and I recently got an Amazon Fire to replace it. Seems all the built in apps are just an up-sell conduit to some Amazon product or service. You bring up an interesting question of overload. I will be having dinner with a marketing expert, and ask about that. Hell, I have wi-fi turned off and the start-up lock screen still shows (apparently pre-loaded) ads. ~ I could go on... but enough on that for now... I don't recall the year, but Bill Gates, referring to push ads, said, in essence that the computer desktop is the most valuable real estate in the world, and as its use increases, even more valuable. -- PeterN |
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On Nov 24, 2017, Ron C wrote
(in ): On 11/24/2017 8:14 PM, PeterN wrote: On 11/24/2017 7:52 PM, Ron C wrote: snip I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. It's a rare occasion, that I agree with nospam. I agree with you too. My purpose for computing is to get things done. Those freak-en ads are a major distraction. I suspect there is a legal way of blocking them, If you really want to experience ad overload try an Amazon Fire. My old tablet died and I recently got an Amazon Fire to replace it. Seems all the built in apps are just an up-sell conduit to some Amazon product or service. Hell, I have wi-fi turned off and the start-up lock screen still shows (apparently pre-loaded) ads. I could go on... but enough on that for now... Interesting. I don’t have that sort of ad issue with my iPad Pro which I use to stream Amazon Prime, Netflix, and other streaming content via my home network. I am also an Amazon Prime subscriber with the various Amazon Prime apps installed, along with the iOS version of Kindle, and with those I have an ad free environment. I have some free weather apps where the adds are persistent, but that is about it. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 11/24/2017 9:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Nov 24, 2017, Ron C wrote (in ): On 11/24/2017 8:14 PM, PeterN wrote: On 11/24/2017 7:52 PM, Ron C wrote: snip I haven't been following this thread, just dropped in to check on potentially interesting thread drift. Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off all the tiles. The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. It took 10+ minutes to boot this afternoon because it was updating/installing something; 10+ minutes with that sick greenish-yellow screen with the spinning dots. It's a rare occasion, that I agree with nospam. I agree with you too. My purpose for computing is to get things done. Those freak-en ads are a major distraction. I suspect there is a legal way of blocking them, If you really want to experience ad overload try an Amazon Fire. My old tablet died and I recently got an Amazon Fire to replace it. Seems all the built in apps are just an up-sell conduit to some Amazon product or service. Hell, I have wi-fi turned off and the start-up lock screen still shows (apparently pre-loaded) ads. I could go on... but enough on that for now... Interesting. I don’t have that sort of ad issue with my iPad Pro which I use to stream Amazon Prime, Netflix, and other streaming content via my home network. I am also an Amazon Prime subscriber with the various Amazon Prime apps installed, along with the iOS version of Kindle, and with those I have an ad free environment. I have some free weather apps where the adds are persistent, but that is about it. Had I been able to take the Fire (and/or some other tablet) for a prolonged "test drive" I probably would have made a different choice. ~~ Ah, live and learn... -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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On 11/24/2017 9:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
snip Interesting. I don’t have that sort of ad issue with my iPad Pro which I use to stream Amazon Prime, Netflix, and other streaming content via my home network. I heard that Netflix, is acquiring Yahoo. The combined company will be called Netanyahoo. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) -- PeterN |
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Windows 10. Horrible!
"Ron C" wrote
| Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of | the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off | all the tiles. Yes, you can sort of do that. And the Start Menu, too? You clean that up? And lock screen ads? It's all mild now. That was my point. They're getting you acclimated. They're establishing a new norm. It's like Google reading your email. That's outrageous that they claim to co-own your email. But they're not pushy about it, and people have acclimated. Nevertheless, the implications are very real. A corporation owns and stores copies of your private correspondence. In the case of Windows, it's alsdo not free. If you didn't pay for Win10 then you did pay for the version you upgraded from. But Microsoft are trying to redefine the product; to get you comfortable with the idea that you've bought an entertainment/shopping/ services device and that nothing that happens on it belongs to you. It's already gone a long way from where it used to be when you have to deal with the ads at all. It's your computer. They have no business infesting it with ads. The question of whether it's a notrable hassle is beside the point. They have no business accessing your computer in any way -- even for updates -- without your permission. In '99 there was an episode where MS was caught reading registration info from the Registry when people visited Windows Update. People were outraged. MS promised to stop. They've managed to radically shift the paradigm since then. | ~ | The big pain for me is that I have Win 10 on a machine | that I use infrequently. Seems just about every time I use | the machine it installs updates that take ages to install. That's another aspect of the same thing. It's a kiosk device on which you're meant to buy stuff and rent services. They're moving slowly, but they are moving very deliberately in that direction. Your car is now a taxi you rent. Presto. Forced updates is another thing they have no right to do and yet people are accepting it. The non-enterprise customer base is literally the beta test group for corporate customers. I was visiting with a neice today who does web design. She uses only Apple products, but her company is using MS Azure web services, so she needed to install Win10 in a VM on her Mac. Both her Start Menu and the tiles are full of ads. And it's Pro version Win10. That's like a sick joke -- a pro version of Windows with Candy Crush ads on the desktop. And if she makes the tiles visible they flash with a changing array of ads and pseudo-news. |
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Windows 10. Horrible!
On 11/24/2017 9:29 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ron C" wrote | Oddly, I'm with nospam on the ads thing. Seems one of | the first things I did when I set up Win 10 was to turn off | all the tiles. Yes, you can sort of do that. And the Start Menu, too? You clean that up? And lock screen ads? It's all mild now. I've worked my way from CPM through *-DOS, and most variations of Windows .. and have (for the most part) only used the Start Menu to log-off/shut down or change users. ~ Seems I've evolved a non-MS envisioned work flow. ;-) ~ I have yet to see a lock screen ad .. though I've heard the rumors of their impending intrusion. ...Gigantic Snip of the rest... -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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