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Old October 20th 18, 03:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Ken Hart[_4_]
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Default Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos

On 10/19/2018 10:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

But it was _you_ nospam which disqualified Fontasy on the PC because
the output to the printer might not be exactly the same as what was on
the screen.

yes, because depending on the printer, it might not be the same.

no such issue on the mac.


Of course there was. With the Mac the only printer on which output on
the printer somewhat matched the appearance on the screen was the
Laserwriter and even then the match wasn't exact.


absolutely false.

With Fontasy, depending on the printer, it might be more or less the
same or the size might be different.


more or less != wysiwyg.


I used Fontasy substantially back when it was introduced, and turned on
several other people to it. Obviously, I did not try every single
printer on the market, but I never had a printed size issue, and no one
I know who purchased the program had an issue with printed output size.
I speculate that the manufacturer, in the course of testing the
software, found a couple printers that had issues; and they thought it
best to include the caveat.

(At the time, I had 3 printers: Radio Shack, Citizen, and Epson. All
worked fine with Fontasy.)

Of course it wasn't truly WYSIWYG under DOS- what I saw with my computer
was orange text/graphics on a gray/green screen, with a 4:3 size. The
printed output was black on white (or whatever paper I was using) at the
paper size. If I had wanted actual WYSIWYG (orange on green), I would
have had to use my color dot-matrix printer!


There was no significant difference between the situation with either
system.


oh yes there very definitely were significant differences. shockingly
so.



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  #252  
Old October 20th 18, 04:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Windows 10 update wipes out files and photos

On 10/19/2018 10:44 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS for "What You See Is What You Get" is
whether one does get in print a reasonable representation of what one
sees on screen. Whether one app or another provided the same level of
accuracy is irrelevant, but the reality is that it was never an issue
with professional-level apps.

in other words, quality or accuracy doesn't matter to you.

fortunately, others have much higher standards, some of whom advanced
the entire industry.


You idiot!


ad hominem.

A professional working in the field, producing large numbers and
quantities of printed documents for money, will be much more concerned
with quality and accuracy


except that he just said quality and accuracy does not matter.

No, I did not. Since your ability to read is so poor, I will clarify.
What I wrote was that whether one app produced the same level of
accuracy as another doesn't matter. It didn't matter *because one would
choose the app that met their requirements with regard to accuracy*. I
also wrote that it was never an issue with the professional-level apps.
It didn't matter because *they all provided a high level of accuracy*.

So, not only are you an idiot, you're a lying idiot.

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Old October 20th 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Neil
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The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS for "What You See Is What You Get" is
whether one does get in print a reasonable representation of what one
sees on screen. Whether one app or another provided the same level of
accuracy is irrelevant, but the reality is that it was never an issue
with professional-level apps.

in other words, quality or accuracy doesn't matter to you.

fortunately, others have much higher standards, some of whom advanced
the entire industry.

You idiot!


ad hominem.

A professional working in the field, producing large numbers and
quantities of printed documents for money, will be much more concerned
with quality and accuracy


except that he just said quality and accuracy does not matter.

No, I did not. Since your ability to read is so poor, I will clarify.
What I wrote was that whether one app produced the same level of
accuracy as another doesn't matter. It didn't matter *because one would
choose the app that met their requirements with regard to accuracy*. I
also wrote that it was never an issue with the professional-level apps.
It didn't matter because *they all provided a high level of accuracy*.


in other words, you did not write clearly and your choices of software
were limited to only a small subset of apps. that's not a feature.

the point you *still* miss is that on a mac, *all* apps provide a high
level of accuracy because wysiwyg is part of the os itself. it's
functionality every app gets for free. it doesn't matter if it's a
'professional level app' or a consumer app or even a weekend hack by a
hobbyist programmer writing his first app. *every* app is wysiwyg, one
of many reasons why the mac changed the industry.
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Old October 20th 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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That's strange. I got https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG#History

"Bravo, a document preparation program for the Alto produced at
Xerox PARC by Butler Lampson, Charles Simonyi and colleagues in
1974, is generally considered the first program to incorporate
WYSIWYG technology,[6] displaying text with formatting (e.g. with
justification, fonts, and proportional spacing of characters)."


which almost nobody used outside of xerox, and it was also a complete
system, not a word processing app on consumer hardware.

the xerox star, which came later, also had very limited use (although
more than the alto) and was *very* expensive in the early 1980s.

the original mac was roughly 1/10th its price making it affordable for
many, it was noticeably faster and *much* easier to use than the star,
later macs even more so.


But it wasn't the first.


nobody said it was the first.

first isn't what spawns an industry, as you've been told many times.

xerox had no clue what they had. if they did, then *they* would have
productized their technology and changed the world.

they didn't. apple did.

interestingly enough, ms word 1.0 on the mac was very similar to the
word processing app on the star. when microsoft wasn't copying apple,
they were copying xerox, next and others, and got away with it.


They both were copying Xerox.


nope. apple didn't copy xerox. that's a common myth.

apple built upon the ideas of xerox, adding a lot of their own ideas,
including what xerox thought to be impossible as well as changing the
user interface to be significantly easier to use, all with xerox's full
permission and with payment.

the first mac running system 1 was only casually similar to a xerox
star. anyone claiming one was a copy of the other is very ignorant,
both about the history of the two companies and how both products
worked.

meanwhile, microsoft copied numerous companies, without permission and
certainly without payment, and did a ****ty job of it too.
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Old October 20th 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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I have been through things again and the only conclusion I can reach
is that you really were serious when you suggested I have sent 4GB of
image files via email or facebook. Were you really serious? Is that
what you genuinely recommend?


email is an option. there were others. every situation is different.


4GB attachments by email! Haw.


if you actually read what i wrote before spewing, i said that email is
an *option* and every situation is different. not everyone has 4gb of
photos to send. most don't.

you already said the usb stick method was a failure. the remaining
options are all you have left, and that does include email. once again,
you're assuming things.

in your particular scenario, photo sharing would likely be the best
choice, or perhaps mail drop. another is upload to a photo sharing site
and send links. however, you refuse to use compliant urls so that
option might not work correctly, and not because of anything she did.


Idiot


that would describe you. stubborn too.
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Old October 20th 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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sending someone a usb stick full of photos has nothing to do with
backups.

Of course it has. You are very thick headed!

So tell me what has it got to do with backups ?

Where will they do backups?

Why do you think sending a USB stick of photos is a backup ?

Do you really need explaining, or lessons on reading skills?

do explain why a copy of a few photos that eric sent to someone is
actually a backup of his computer.

In this case 'few' = 4GB


the number does not matter. it's not a backup.


Its the volume of data I wish to send.


that may be, but it doesn't turn it into a backup.
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Old October 20th 18, 05:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
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note this part:
The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of
the Apple LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction
of PageMaker software from Aldus, which rapidly became the DTP
industry standard software.


guess what that means.

Later on, PageMaker overtook Microsoft
Word in professional DTP in 1985. The term "desktop publishing" is
attributed to Aldus founder Paul Brainerd,[5] who sought a marketing


also guess what that means.


It means that desktop publishing was already in existence when the
laserwriter arrived. i.e. the Mac cannot have spawned that which was
already in existence.


no, it doesn't mean that. go learn what spawned means.
 




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