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Old September 15th 17, 12:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.photo.digital
Chaya Eve
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Default Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:09:55 -0600, "Andre G. Isaak"
wrote:

Your earlier post suggested that Bahnschrift wasn't yet included but
would be in future. If that is correct then whether it can be embedded
remains to be seen. PowerPoint on windows can embed TrueType fonts, but
only if the flag in the OS/2 table allows it. It sounds like your
project requires editable embedding which is less commonly allowed than
read-only embedding.


Wow. Thanks for those accurate clarifications!

I don't know how to test the embedding on the latest Windows 10 because I
don't have it - but it's great information for the many Windows experts
here that in the "Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16273", the inclusion of
Bahnschrift DIN-1451-look-alike fonts may or may not be embeddable.

I have included your clarification suggestions in the reference page of the
PowerPoint document for the school, where I reflect those improvements
below as a summary of tribal knowledge for someone reading this in the
future via Dejagoogle links.

Road sign fonts are tested under real-world conditions for specific things
such as halation, night-time and speed legibility (especially when tight
interstices are involved), cutout-integrity, removal of tiny notches in
joints of the letterforms, negative spacing compactness (affecting
legibility of signs in negative-contrast color orientations), common
symbols, etc., all resulting in an increase in accuracy, viewing distance,
and reaction time.

According to this Usenet thread:
.. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/FCyiDz1TAQAJ
The official USA roadsign font is FHWA Series Gothic which isn't
commercially available.
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Gothic
Another recently used but then deprecated US road sign font is ¡Clearview¢
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)
A common USA Gothic-look-alike freely distributable font is ¡Roadgeek¢
.. http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

In Germany (& parts of Continental Europe), they use ¡DIN 1451¢
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_1451
The Mac ships native with that actual font, simply named¡DIN¢¢
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...uded_with_OS_X
The latest Win10 ships with a DIN-look-alike font named ¡Bahnschrift¢
(which may or may not be embeddable)
.. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...uild-16273-pc/
In the UK, the commonly used road sign font is named ¡Transport¢
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_(typeface)

Windows MS Office can embed the entire font set which works for Windows.
.. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint
Mac MS Office can not embed fonts & also can not read embedded fonts.
.. http://www.jklstudios.com/misc/osxfonts.html
The Mac also has an issue seeing the DIN font (see the Usenet url for
complete details).
.. Sierra https://support.apple.com/HT206872
.. Mavericks: https://support.apple.com/HT201375

Highway Gothic look-alike fonts are available at cost he
.. https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/pixymbols/highway-gothic/
Highway Gothic look-alike fonts seem to be available for free he
.. http://www.dafont.com/highway-gothic.font
Clearview is only available at cost (AFAIK):
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_(typeface)
Roadgeek is available online for free in many places, for example he
.. http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Any and all clarifications and improvements are welcome to help everyone.