In article , Tony Cooper
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| tony twists everything he reads, solely to argue.

This is getting doggone surreal.


You want surreal? Let's put nospam in charge of a city.

He's said that speed limits are too low, so in his city he changes the
speed limit on a residential street from 30 mph to 40 mph.

only because drivers are already going 40 mph.

He's said that most drivers exceed the speed limit, so in his city the
drivers now blast down a residential street at 50 mph or more.

your first of *many* false assumptions.

raising the posted speed limit has a negligible effect on actual speeds.

given that the prevailing speed is *already* 40 mph, raising the posted
speed limit *to* 40 will bring just about everyone into compliance,
leaving the truly dangerous drivers for the cops to target.

in other words, going from 99% violators to 1% violators (numbers not
exact but close enough to make the point) lets the cops concentrate on
those who actually pose a danger to themselves and others.

instead of a non-stop stream of violators, only the actually dangerous
people will stand out.

that means the rest of your babble is complete rubbish since it's based
on a a false assumption, but nevertheless, might as well smash a few
more myths.

He's said that insurance companies fund police radar guns, so in his
city he prohibits this. The police in his city, then, cannot provide
court-required proof of speeding offenses so speeders aren't given
tickets.

another false assumption.

cops don't need radar/lidar to determine someone is driving in an
unsafe manner, and not just speeding.

Since we know that most traffic accidents that don't involve alcohol
or drugs are caused by driving too fast for conditions or inability to
stop in time due to speed, accident rates increase in nospam's city
because police can't ticket speeders.

yet another false assumption.

driving too fast for conditions is *not* the same as driving above the
posted speed limit.

you are attempting to move the goalposts. why am i not surprised.

Insurance companies raise the
rates because insurance rates are based partially on local accident
history.

yet another false assumption.

since the speeds at which drivers travel will not change by any
significant amount when the posted limit is changed (a few mph,
typically), there will not be a significant change in collisions,
therefore there is no need to raise rates, other than the usual
insurance company greed which has nothing to do with your babble.

since auto insurance is mandatory almost everywhere (and now health
insurance as well), insurance companies can set whatever rates they
want and customers have to pay, all the while they cut benefits. it's
one of the biggest scams going.

it's generally a *far* better deal to self-insure, particularly for
safe drivers, except that it's illegal to do so (with rare exception).

Some insurance carriers may withdraw from the market in that
city because they are paying out so much, so the competition is
decreased allowing all remaining carriers to raise rate.

another false assumption.

To prevent accidents caused by speeding, nospam's city then has to buy
radar guns from their own budget.

no need for radar/lidar guns at all.

there's also *no* reason why they cost as much as they do either.

To replace the budget shortfall,
the city increases taxes and makes all drivers pay for the actions of
a few.

they already do.

that's how insurance works.

He's agreed with you that speed traps are wrong and just a way to
increase city revenue, so in nospam's city police must be visible to
all motorists when checking for traffic violations. The drivers in
nospam's city now know they can drive at any speed if no police are
visible.

false assumption again.

drivers do not drive at any speed they want when no cops are around.

this is yet another myth.

In nospam's city, if 99% of the drivers break speeding laws,"the law
itself must be bad". So, nospam eliminates speeding laws. With no
restrictions on speed, motorists are free to zoom through school zones
at any speed and generally drive at any speed they choose and the
accident rate increases.

yet another twist, and yet another false assumption.

Fire departments (if nospam's city is in a state where firefighters
are first-responders to traffic accidents) must add personnel,
vehicles, and tools like the "jaws of life" to deal with the increased
number of accidents. Taxes go up in nospam's city to fund this.

another false assumption.

there is *zero* evidence there will be more collisions.

Hospitals have to add personnel to the ERs to deal with the increased
number of accidents, so their rates go up. Insurance companies have
to pay for much of that, so their rates go up.

the list of false assumptions continues to grow...

In nospam's city, funding from traffic violation fines is wrong and
must be eliminated. But, the city still has to have funds to have a
police department, fire department, and other departments that provide
service to the residents, so tax and permit rates are bumped up even
more. New construction is impeded because permits cost so much and
taxes are so high. That means fewer jobs.

...and grow...

You want to live in nospam's city?

do not call that fictional place my city.

Wait a few years. His city will present a lot of opportunities for
photographers who want to photograph ghost towns.

you truly are an idiot.