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Old June 15th 18, 04:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default What exactly is different inside a lens in Macro mode?

In article , Neil
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I have more than one fixed-lens camera that has better lenses and more
control than any smartphone I've seen and more than a Canon DSLR that I
own; a Sony with Zeiss lens that is over a decade old, a Panasonic with
Leica lens (also aged) and Olympus TG-4. They all produce images as good
as or better than the Canon and Nikon DSLRs that I have. They have their
limitations but it isn't their performance, so I don't have a definition
for "p&s" that can be generally applied to the kinds of comments you've
made.

now go try editing your photos *on* your camera, including selective
focus or portrait lighting *after* the shot. try shooting 4k videos and
editing them *on* the camera. or shoot panoramas without having to
manually stitch individual photos.

once all that's done, then upload the results to the 'net from anywhere
there's cellular service or wifi.

and that's just for starters.

You're dancing again.


it ain't me who is dancing.

None of those are CAMERA functions, they're
editing functions and have nothing to do with image quality.


wrong, not that it matters.

the fact is that all of that can be done *on* a smartphone and *cannot*
be done on a p&s camera.


You are wrong.


nope.

My Olympus TG-4 has GPS, WiFi, auto panorama (which works
quite well due to its IBS), selective focus and some editing functions.
Conversely, no smartphone has equivalent CAMERA functions to the TG-4.


nonsense.

first of all, your camera does *not* have selective focus since it
*cannot* produce a depth map. it's a physical impossibility.

'some editing functions' = very primitive ones.

smartphones can run apps such as photoshop and lightroom as well as
many, many others. your camera cannot.

not only that, but many of the apps can sync edits with a desktop or
laptop, along with the photos, of course, another thing your camera
cannot do.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adobe-lightroom-cc/id878783582?mt=8

its wifi is extremely limited and best of all, it requires a smartphone
app to use! how funny.

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/compact/tg4/feature4.html
The TG-4 is equipped with a Wi-Fi function. When linked with the
Olympus Image Share smartphone app, images on the camera can be
easily transferred to a smartphone via Wi-Fi. Initial settings are no
more troublesome with a simple scan of the QR code that is displayed
on the camera. The settings can now be completed in just a few steps.

'initial settings' via a qr code (!!), which then must be 'completed in
just a few steps', with photos only going as far as the phone. not
quite so funny anymore.

apparently, they have not heard about bluetooth or nfc, or the cloud.

although once you get them to the phone, you can use the phone's wifi
(after unlinking it from the camera) to send it elsewhere.

oh, and it's gps needs an app too. not too surprising, since it lacks
cellular assist.

from the above link:
The computer application A-GPS Utility Software or the smartphone app
Olympus Image Track is required to update the GPS assist data.
....
€ To use Assist data, information must be updated via the Internet.
A computer or smartphone with an Internet connection is required. GPS
Assist data must be updated every four weeks.

and their app isn't particularly good, with a whopping 2 stars out of 5:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/olympus-image-share/id561896860?mt=8
This app is full of ridiculous UI problems. It doesn't check if a
photo has been imported before, so you can easily get duplicates by
accident. Doing something else causes the app to not only stop an
import that's in progress, but forget what it was importing all
together. The remote control mode is interesting but flaky. Olympus
does not seem to be working on improving any of this, so they should
open source it and give others a chance to make improvements.

Using an Olympus TG-4, after two days of fiddling with the app, still
unsuccessful at reviewing or uploading photos from the camera to my
iPhone. This is a nice camera for its intended purpose, but the
support software is a must, as well. With a camera labeled "WiFi" on
the top, there should be a seamless application to use the wifi
connection. The application available does not work at all. Very
disappointing.

on the other hand, its panorama mode looks like it's comparable to what
smartphones have been doing for a while. so there is that.

Keep it up,
and you'll be back where you were when you claimed that airplanes didn't
have brakes


only on the ground, when they are *not* functioning as an airplane,
something which was quite clear.

Wrong. Every dive bomber had air brakes and several private aircraft
have them as well. Several of us pointed that out to you when you lied
about it the first time.


there are always exceptions.

and there were no cameras with interchangeable film and
digital backs.


i never said any such thing. stop lying.

You most certainly did, and I'm the one that pointed out to you that the
Leica R8 and R9 had those interchangeable backs available. You are the
one that is lying.


nope. i never said any such thing. you are lying.

what i said was that 'digital film' was impossible for ordinary 35mm
film slrs, which it is, and for a variery of reasons.

a camera with an interchangeable back is *not* what i was talking about
and you know it.