On 2018-04-08 23:12:12 +0000, RJH said:
On 08/04/2018 22:32, Your Name wrote:
On 2018-04-08 10:18:37 +0000, RJH said:
On 07/04/2018 13:47, nospam wrote:
In article , RJH wrote:

I would argue, quite successfully, that Apple pays nothing like every
tax dollar they should.

That is a lie, they pay ever dollar they are required to, just like
everyone else.

It's not a lie. It's an opinion that's based on evidence. And is
coincidentally shared by a lot of people. Not you, obvs ;-)

it absolutely is a lie. the evidence is very clear that apple pays what
they owe.

'Should' pay more. The word is 'should'. And they should pay more.
Should is different to must. It is my opinion - Apple should pay more
tax. it's not a lie.

Even an article linked to from Apple's UK site says as much (read the
para 'The U.S. rate is 35%. Why is Apple’s effective rate so much
lower?').

http://fortune.com/2017/10/31/trump-tax-reform-apple-multinational-companies/

from

https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2017/11/the-facts-about-apple-tax-payments/

I suspect the US language is part of the confusion here - they use
words such as sheltering and deferral as well as avoidance.

Apple (and Google, and all the other companies fools whine about)
already pays all the tax it is legally obligated to pay.


Yes, I know. It's that *I* don't think the law in this case is good
law. We're all at liberty to do that. Some people didn't like slavery,
rape, murder etc - all of which were once legal in the UK, all of which
still legal elsewhere.

I wholly accept that you, nospam etc support the current law in this
case. I don't. History will prove one of us right ;-)

I never said I did or didn't support it ... simply that it is the law
and Apple (and others) are not doing anything underhanded or illegal.



If you want these companies to somehow pay more local taxes, then you
would have to change the tax laws

Yes, quite. As I said earlier, EU laws are changing soon to capture
more tax from the likes of Apple sales.

... and then prices of *every* product and service will rise
exponentially ... and then of course the same whiners will be
complaining that they have to pay $60 for a small packet of butter.Â* :-\

Business taxes in the end come out of your pocket since you have to pay
for their goods and services.

Indeed. Could happen. or Apple could take less profit ;-)

Not going to happen, at least not in any sensible way.

Many, mainly smaller, business don't make a big profit now. Assuming
the law could be changed in some ridiculous manner to force extra
income tax payments in countries where no actual profitable income is
being made, then it has to apply to every business ... and those
businesses will have to pass on the extra costs by raising prices to
every customer, which includes other businesses ... it's a giant insane
snowball called "economics".

There's an equally stupid example here in New Zealand right now. The
morons in Government want to add an extra petrol tax to the price in
the city of Auckland (supposedly to pay for efforst to reduce traffic
congestion). What they don't seem to understand is that the extra
petrol tax will be passed on, so delivery businesses will have to raise
prices, then the companies they deliver to will have to raise prices,
etc., etc. (Plus the greedy gits in government will be getting extra
sales tax on that extra petrol tax!)

In the end it's *always* the general public who end up paying the price
from their pockets.