Bill Graham wrote:
"Wolfgang Weisselberg" wrote in message

Manrating rockets [...]

Point: The Saturn V had twice engine failures. Because the same
Saturn V had an advanced computer it could not only compensate the
[...]

So? - You make my point. They didn't neeed men on board.....

And the Saturn V had no men on board. It had a computer ...
and a payload. And it had that sort of computer because it
was a manrated rocket.

Point: The LEM had a couple computers as well, and their
capabilities were much increased over the lunar landings.
Of course the knowledge gained on building better, smaller
computers was not ignored for satellites.

So why have men on board, if computers can do the job fine without them?

Cause computers cannot do the job fine without them. You might
have to LOOK UP the details of the Apollo 11 landing; human
interaction was critical twice for a safe landing.

You either don't even know what you rant against (always a
bad sign) or, worse, you misrepresent the truth.

I have always been more than willing to finance non-manned space
shots, both for exploration, as well as for practical things like
communication. It was only the manned stuff like Apollo that I
objected to, and I am still objecting to these, because we can still
learn 90% as much for 10% of the money with unmanned shots.

Sexual education movies can cover 90% for much less than 10%
what a baby costs --- and will not transmit diseases either.

Yet I've got the feeling the real thing is necessary for the
human race.

Your "feelings" are costing us billions of dollars.....

I have power over billions of dollars? I don't even have any
*ugly* assistants, never mind pretty ones!

What has become of the trappings of power! Whatever happened
to the dollar, devalued so that you need many billions for a
hot dog or a burger --- oh, yes, I remember, the formerly
great United States lost --- no, never even started --- the
race for asteroid resources.

Perhaps you should lie down for a while until your feelings go
away.....

Now I, as Lord And Master over Billions Of Dollars, Tell You,
without the real thing humanity will be dying out and the last
humans will die within 100 years from now. Babies are *necessary*,
even if they cost money. Lying down will not alter that.

Now, speaking of lying down, how about that pretty assistant
I was supposed to have?

The money for space suits is peanuts, and space station knowledge
will also serve us well when we'll settle on the ocean floors.
Given that the oceans have vast resources (though much much less
than asteroids offer) and that living space is going to be dear
if there will not be a *successfull* global (really *everyone*
involved global) change of the population curve.

Even with undersea exploration,

Please read what I wrote. I didn't say "exploration", I didn't
say "exploitation", I said "settle". You know, what people did
in the American West between when there were only Indians and now.

Or would reading actually hurt your agenda?

go......Having to protect men from the horrendous pressures that exist 4 or
5 miles deep is ridiculous,

It's ridiculously cheap, Bathyscopes are.
Of course, you are always trying to settle the Mariana Trench
instead of the continental shelf because you don't aim for
realistic scenarios.

when a mechanical photographer can do 90% of the
work for only 10% of the money.....

It can make babies, invent, manufacture, learn, react autonomously,
teach classes, collect, classify, name, test, observe, repair,
make judgement calls, allocate, priorize, measure, describe,
write papers, assist, study, hold conferences --- and all that
for only 10%? You must share the construction details some day.

Have you ever taken any courses in business management?

Are you talking about the same courses that caused all these many
banks to collapse recently? Must be very expensive, these courses,
learning how to destroy so much money so fast.

-Wolfgang