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On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:15:24 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Bruce writes:

I disagree. Sony believed that quality and innovation would make the
company a lot of money, so they invested in quality and innovation.
They would not have done that if it wasn't profitable.

Morita had a genuine interest in technology and innovation that wasn't simply
a matter of making a fast buck.

Sony became complacent, and they no longer had any monopoly over
innovation and quality.

After Morita died.

In HP's case I agree, but I have no respect for Bill Gates. He was
not much of an innovator, but relied on taking up other people's
ideas, making them proprietary and exploiting them to the full.

Gates is one of the world's leading philanthropists. And a close examination
of his work within Microsoft reveals that he did indeed have ideas and put
them into practice. Most people who criticize him resent the fact that he got
rich. People who are successful always inspire resentment among those who
haven't got what it takes to succeed.

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

In any case, he's gone now. Steve Balmer is in control, and Steve is just a
garden-variety businessman who truly cares only about money. Any hint of
innovation at Microsoft left with Bill Gates.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:39 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

There are many more similar examples.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:12:32 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:39 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

There are many more similar examples.

There were many software developers who were much more generous and
sharing of their product's innards. I can't bring any to mind because
their companies are not in existence anymore. I'm sure those people
are happy with new occupations.

Microsoft didn't succeed because Gates was a shark. They succeed
because they created products that people wanted to buy. The
shark-like business practices just stopped the remoras from latching
on.



--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 00:25:09 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

You've never used a Mac?

This is not an equivalent situation. Mac make their own computers and
operating systems. MS make only the operating systems.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

Have you ever looked at the source code for large operating or application
systems?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

Have you ever worked for a large company at all?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On Sat, 14 May 2011 18:57:07 -0400, tony cooper
wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:12:32 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:39 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

There are many more similar examples.

There were many software developers who were much more generous and
sharing of their product's innards. I can't bring any to mind because
their companies are not in existence anymore. I'm sure those people
are happy with new occupations.

Microsoft didn't succeed because Gates was a shark. They succeed
because they created products that people wanted to buy. The
shark-like business practices just stopped the remoras from latching
on.

It ate the remoras.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On 5/14/2011 6:57 PM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:12:32 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:39 +0200,
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

There are many more similar examples.

There were many software developers who were much more generous and
sharing of their product's innards. I can't bring any to mind because
their companies are not in existence anymore. I'm sure those people
are happy with new occupations.

Microsoft didn't succeed because Gates was a shark. They succeed
because they created products that people wanted to buy. The
shark-like business practices just stopped the remoras from latching
on.


Microsoft also had superior marketing strategies and gave unparalleled
support to developers.

--
Peter

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In article , Mxsmanic
wrote:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

there very definitely was, which is why microsoft got sued for abuse of
monopoly and lost.

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In article ,
says...

On 5/14/2011 6:57 PM, tony cooper wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 10:12:32 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 23:10:39 +0200,
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

I don't resent him getting rich. I resent his savage business
practices.

There was nothing savage about his business practices. A lot of people like to
parrot urban legends about him, too.

1. Getting m/c vendors to tie the sale of their m/cs to only the one
operating system was a bit of a shock the first time I encountered it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

There are many more similar examples.

There were many software developers who were much more generous and
sharing of their product's innards. I can't bring any to mind because
their companies are not in existence anymore. I'm sure those people
are happy with new occupations.

Microsoft didn't succeed because Gates was a shark. They succeed
because they created products that people wanted to buy. The
shark-like business practices just stopped the remoras from latching
on.


Microsoft also had superior marketing strategies and gave unparalleled
support to developers.

This was an ongoing problem with OS/2. The development tools were
horribly expensive, hence not much application support arose.

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 04:02:04 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

This is not an equivalent situation. Mac make their own computers and
operating systems. MS make only the operating systems.

In other words, Apple forces you to use both their hardware and their
software, a far more restrictive arrangement than anything Microsoft has done.
Apple doesn't force manufacturers to install its software simply because it
doesn't allow anyone else to manufacture its computers at all. You cannot
criticize Microsoft for agreements it has made with hardware vendors without
considering the much more anti-competitive policies practiced even today by
Apple.

As far as I know there has never been more than the one operating
system available for Apple. Your bought an Apple, you _needed_ the
Apple OS.

That has never been the situation with X86 machines. There has always
been a choice of operating systems for them. Microsoft took the line
with OEMs that if they wanted to install an MS operating system they
had to install it on all their machines. You could not get a machine
without an operating system.

Here you have cut out my original text and your reply. I have replaced
it.

2. Embedding lying error messages in MS software which activated when
the software was run on competing operating systems (e.g. DR-DOS).

Have you ever looked at the source code for large operating or application
systems?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

All operating systems and application software contain gadgets designed to
favor marketing ends, including time limits, feature disabling switches, and
the like.

But I know of no others which deliberately reported non-existent
errors to discourage users from using a competing OS. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code


Have you ever worked for a large company at all?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

If you've worked for a large company, you know that they all work the same,
and Microsoft hasn't done anything out of the ordinary.

The fact that others might behave in the same way, and that you accept
it, doesn't mean that I can't dislike it.

You're also missing the elephant in the room, which is Apple.

That's changing the subject. In any case I'm not going to continue
discussing this with someone who chops around and deletes sections of
my post when answering it.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On Sat, 14 May 2011 19:03:06 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2011-05-14 18:54:48 -0700, Eric Stevens said:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 00:25:09 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:
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Have you ever looked at the source code for large operating or application
systems?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

3. Witholding essential developer's software from companies Microsoft
regarded as a competitor. e.g. A new version of Windows and Word had
been on the market for some six months before Word Perfect was
supplied with version of Visual Basic required by the new version of
Windows. That's when Word got asix month lead on Word Perfect.

Have you ever worked for a large company at all?

Yes I have. What are you trying to say?

Regards,

Eric Stevens

What he is trying to say, or should I say ask, in both cases, is the
question which originated in the Monty Python, "Nudge, nudge" sketch,
"What's it like then?"

Oh, he knows.

Regards,

Eric Stevens